Motherload Part 2

Answer: I was going to buy a book. Whatever the preeminent psychology book is of the day. I'm going to give it to Marty. hold up his beers, hold up his shitty chair, hold himself up. Answer qualification: No, obviously he's not going to read it. All right. It'll be, I don't know any first edition nice books that he would respect. I'm not cultured enough for this. I would Google it. I would quick Google it. Choice: Unresolved: ['The revised valuable book is not identified.', [[119], [120], [121], [122], [124], [125], [126]]]

Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Frasier Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we are covering Season 9, Episode 13, Motherlode, Part 2, which originally aired on January 15th, 2002. Am I gonna regret not making a Cam Winston drop? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Schack. Joining me as always, it's a resident Upside Downer. It's Ryan Sansone. Curtis, I am excited to be here tonight. I've been waiting to talk about Cam Winston once again. Let's get rolling. Let's just jump right into it. Let's skip the Brad intro. I think we might have to intro the other people on this podcast. Every time. Also with us is our annoyingly patriotic... No, that's not a thing. You can just cut it at annoying. Also with us is annoying. It's Bradley Kirkston. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Annoying might be my middle name, but it's what I look like. Also with us today, not annoying at all, it's a very special guest. It's Frank Sullivan. I'm here. I made it. Were you gonna give Frank a nickname and then pulled back? No, I was just trying to be dramatic when I said Frank Sullivan. I think you just had too long of a gap between Frank and Sullivan. It did. I thought there was a nickname coming and it threw me off. Do you want to give Frank a quick nickname? Just because, you know, you kind of implied there would be one. I thought you were making him Irish. I thought you were gonna go Frank O'Sullivan. What are you making him Irish? Last time Frank was here, very famously, there was a little moment where I asked him how much he made. So I'm gonna go with Frank, the bank, Sullivan. Oh, there you go. I don't know what I told you last time. I don't know where I'm getting the bank from, but let's go. You did not tell us you owned a bank if that helps. You did not answer how much you made and I took that to me and you make a lot. Oh, he's one of those. I work in mental health, buddy. So do we kind of. Speaking of the bank, I've been house hunting, as you know, and I have to share this on the pod because we were looking at a place. Well, I guess I can share we're actually under contract with this place now. But the point is, the guy was showing us around and we're on the first floor and there's a half bath. He opens it up, he shows us and he says, and I'm quoting him, here's the powder room. Braddock, we got a powder room alert. We got a powder room. Let me just pop into the powder room real fast. Is that when you knew that was the right house for you? As soon as you said that, you were like, all right. There was no other choice. Yeah. You went in and tested and made sure no one could hear you when you were inside, right? The kitchen doesn't have a door. So I assume it is a private place where you can say anything, any secrets you want. Anyway, you know, in this episode, Frazier is going to get completely flabbergasted by his feud with Cam Winston. And I wanted to know from all of you, if you had the chance, what would you do to vex Frazier? Let's go to Brad first. Start us off on the wrong foot. We'll build up from there. Yeah. So mine is a really long full day prank on him to really get him angry. The news curve is going to be long and boring. Yeah. So, so. I hate to see greasing keeps going. Yeah. This is, this is not a fun one. Perfect for the pod. I would put change in his pocket. So his pocket got really, really heavy throughout the day. How are you accomplishing this? How much change also do you think you're getting in the pocket? As you know me, I'm a 95 year old man. So I always have change on me. And two, just slowly put it in. You know, I'm very sly. So I just slowly put it in the pocket. You getting that close to another human being doesn't feel like it could possibly be sly. What are you talking about? I'm like a, I'm like a ninja. You're like a ninja blender in that you're really loud. You're the least stealthy individual. Do you remember the one time we were in a hotel, the three of us and some other people, and we were all just being normal humans. And then Brad walks by and the whole hotel room starts shaking like it's Jurassic Park. And we heard every glass that start clinking together. All the rest of us had been walking the whole time. Never heard it. Soon as Brad shows up, we find out a bunch of glasses are close to each other. But that's just because I walk heavy. I think that Fraser slowly finding his pockets heavier and heavier with, with change mysteriously arriving in his pockets that might vex him. I'm not sure it would, but you know, it would definitely vex him Bradley attempting it. Let's see if you can one on me. Who's next? I'll go next. Cause mine's also bad. Mine's also bad. Oh, you know, the one that came up with the question. So great. I would do the long con. So I'm going to befriend him and I'm going to get in those good graces. I'm going to get all chummy with him. We're going to be real pretentious together. But over time, I'm going to get in good enough that I'm going to be like Roz working to show up at his house all the time for no reason. And every time I go to his house, I'm going to sneakily move something. Not far, just like off kilter. It'll change the way it's facing or I'll move it a few inches to the left. I'm just going to move his trinkets and things around, which he may not notice immediately, but eventually he will. And he won't know it was me doing it. He'll just be like, why is everything not where it's supposed to be? I feel like that affects him real hard. That's hilarious because I was actually part of mine. Oh, we'll take it the rest of the way then. I started off with like, I was going to befriend him so that I could pretty much show up anytime I wanted. And then I was going to bring up the topic of Pokemon cards. This was a surprise turn, Frank. This was a surprise turn. He's not going to give a crap out of Pokemon cards because it's not like classical stuff. So he's already going to be bothered by it. It's not even true pop culture because it's kind of like out of date at this point. So it's going to really bother him. And I'm already friends with him because I worked at it like Curtis. We went in together. You're showing him Pokemon cards while I'm like moving his stuff around. So that was the next part. So that was just the way to like, I was going to constantly come over and be like, talk about Pokemon cards with him, which was going to drive him nuts. I would drive almost anyone nuts, even people that like Pokemon cards. So I was going to scoot all the other chairs just closer and closer together, one inch at a time after every visit. But that's a good plan. Much better. I think the chair is a weird one. You're talking about the chairs around the table or like his couch? The chairs around the table. The problem with the chairs around the table is those are items meant to move. Like you're constantly moving them in and out of being under the table or you're sitting in the table with it. Like the whole unit would be moving closer. They'd all be moving closer to his dad's chair. I think we're going to need Brad to try to stick coins down his pockets for us to distract well enough to get that done. But I'm with you. I'm on board. Because you're doing it slowly over time. You know, parts. The Pokemon cards is distracting him because he's already frustrated with the Pokemon cards. You're committing one crime to distract from the real crime. Exactly. It was a multi-layered vexing. Curtis is mad because yours is so much better than his. Well, I've got surprised, but I am mad. You vexed me, Frank. Ryan, take us home. What'd you get? I was going to buy a book. Whatever the preeminent psychology book is of the day. I'm sorry. I just love that prerequisite. I have to figure out a book. I don't know. I'll get a book. I don't have any of those. It's going to be a quick Google. I'm going to tell you. What I'm going to do with this book is I'm going to give it to Marty. And then he's going to obviously Marty all over it for the end of time. He's going to try to find uses for it because, you know, we're good buds. He's not going to be able to just throw it away. And so Fraser's going to watch as he uses this psychology book to like, I don't know, hold up his beers, hold up his shitty chair, hold himself up. I feel like you're halfway there. I think the problem is Marty's not going to read a book. No, obviously he's not going to read it. Wait, wait. Okay. You're saying he's not going to use the book to like try to one up Fraser on psychology knowledge. He's going to use the book in ways it wasn't intended, like a coaster. Yeah, exactly. I think for that you need not a psychology book. You need like a first edition of something. You need like a nice book. You need something worth money. You need something worth money, I think. All right. It'll be, I don't know any first edition nice books that he would respect. Great. I'm not cultured enough for this. I would Google it. I would quick Google it. Yeah. You don't have to say it on the pod. We, the vexing is assumed based on a Google search, maybe Homer's books. One of those ones. Ooh, it's read by Larry King. All right. Well, I don't know if we have succeeded in vexing Fraser, but we know who does succeed. So should we get into this episode? Yes. Yeah. We open with an elevator rising up the Space Needle. Niles and Daphne are caring for Gert as she reels from her husband leaving her. She expects no hanky-panky between them. Wasn't the different music tonight to start the show? You mean like the outline of Seattle music? Instrumental. Yeah. The intro music, like as we're seeing the Seattle skyline, was it slightly different than normal? I don't think we've talked about this, and I haven't really investigated this fully, but it is my belief that there are like five or six versions of the intro theme, that there's like different little jingles that play. They're all very similar, but I think each episode is a little bit different. My theory is a little different than Curtis's. I think they do, like this one, if there's a two-part episode. I think that's the through line, that if there's a two-part, they use this jingle. That kind of makes sense. Curt, where were you on that one? Just be glad I told you the timestamp of how to jump ahead to miss the previously elf. Oh my God. Do you know how hard it was to work that? You must have said the timestamp after, because I got surprised when I opened the episode, and then trying to find the exact moment when the episode starts was impossible. And they start off with like an important noun. So I, you know, if it was a minute 35 in or whatever, if you went to a minute 37, you couldn't, you missed whatever they were talking about. It was so annoying. I swear to God, it took me six minutes real time to get the right starting point. I know it was a part of the like original show's makeup to have these previously on two-parters, but I do wish all shows that had previously on segments could be skipped. They should all be skippable. Yeah, I agree with you. A hundred percent. The good news is the only thing I saw from the previous on was that Niles invites Daphne to live with them, which obviously we talk about a lot this episode. It doesn't feel like too big of a spoiler. Right now, Frank is like, we're still talking about the opening titles. No, I'm good, man. That was convincing. So Ryan, what do you think of the scene? We start off pretty much talking about Mr. Moon. Yeah. We haven't heard about him for a while since we saw him last, right? I don't think there's much reference between this episode and when we go to meet him. There's a few jokes. Maybe you're there, but nothing major. In classic Frasier style, they introduce a subplot here, drop it completely for a few episodes, and pick right back up later. The season finale, the last two episodes. The other thing I think I noticed, I believe Niles calls Gertrude Mrs. Moon to start this up. So clearly we were in a different relationship space at the start of this. Did you find it weird that Mrs. Moon lives with Niles, but Daphne lives with Frasier? It took a while to properly reconcile, even though it got spoiled for me. It was like, I know we've kind of established it. Yeah. In this scene, they make that clear that Daphne's living with Frasier, but her mom's living with Niles. It's very weird. If anything, why doesn't Daphne and Niles switch for a little while? You would think. I would think. But apparently no one, maybe they'll address the next episode, but apparently no one entertained it. Or even if she was living with Niles, Daphne could stay there for a couple of days, you know, with her mom. You know, that would have made a good episode of Niles and Frasier living together for a bit. Oh my God, you're right. Yes, it would have. Yeah, why didn't we do that? Come on, writers. And Marty would still be there and he would be doubly annoyed. Missed opportunity. Missed opportunity. We could have pissed Marty out. I would just say, we have about 900 episodes left, so it may have been done. We don't know. Maybe that's what Motherlode Part 1 is. They're just trying that up. A giant American flag is draped over Frasier's balcony and view, enraging him. Marty warns him not to fight lest he look unpatriotic. Simon returns with a floozy, but Frasier kicks him out. Would you start with a giant flag? Like, wild start. Yeah. It is one of the benefits of the reverse rewatch is really confusing things can just happen with no explanation. It's really obvious that this is going to be triggered from last episode, but how amazing would it be if this is just all of the rest of season nine? They do reference that it is specifically an American flag, but as an upside downer, did you see it and instantly go to ask an American flag? Because I think it's just the red and white stripes we see. I thought we were in a giant clown's pocket, so I was really confused. Frank, it's been a while, I imagine, since you've watched these episodes, if you've ever watched it. Have you watched these episodes? You had a full run through, right? I watched it all years ago at this point. Right. When you put this on, were you like, oh, right, the episode with the American flag, or were you similarly vexed about what is going on? I did remember it because the Niles responding, like, how did you do that? Because of the way Frasier just led into it and the flag dropped at the perfect moment, that actually did stick out to me. I remember that. Frank, we don't know what you're talking about right now, buddy. I think that's part one. Okay. We're going to forgive you. I did watch the part that you guys all clearly skipped. Oh, because you saw that in the previously. Yeah. Oh, because Ryan didn't tell you to skip it. God, that makes sense. He's allowed to watch it. I'm not. Everyone else can watch it. You're just not allowed to talk about it. I even, I skipped it. Once Curtis told me to, I even skipped it because I wanted to double check. I actually, after it rolled, I was going to text Ryan, like, should I have skipped that? But it was too late because I had already watched it all. You've seen it. Just don't talk about the previously. This is your first warning. Either way, I did remember it. It did stick out to me. Just the way that the, I mean, I'm not going to go into it any further, but I did remember. As we get it, Frank, the flag unfurls. It must be nice. Even so, you probably would not forget seeing an episode with a gigantic American flag looking like, what did you call a clown's vagina? Whatever you called it. What? They named it San Diego. I got news for you. I did forget. I was like, what is happening? What is this episode? Do you think a clown's vagina looks like red and white stripes? No, there's no way that's correct. I was waiting for someone to respond to that. I was hoping Curtis ignored it. It was just going to keep going. That was my plan. As vexed as I was seeing the flag, I was thrilled that Cam Winston's involved. Yeah. And now that we know we can see him in person, I was like, I think we're getting Cam. This is going to be good. I honestly wondered how much Cam we would get because I feel like he has been mentioned a few times without appearing. So then we get to see Simon. Ryan, I can't remember. You were a Simon fan? This is the first I've met him, I believe. He was one of the brothers that you saw at the last episode. Yeah. He didn't stick out to me as someone I remembered. So I thought the other brothers were who we saw then. He was one of the other brothers. And it was the same actor and everything? Yep. Wow. I just remember him because I think he was in Cold Case, which I watched briefly. He was in Cold Case. Not even a famous show? I've never heard of Cold Case. A lot of old women liked Cold Case. And you and Frank. And me and Frank. It's in Murder, She Wrote, man. I mean, come on. So Ryan, I assume Simon did not make an impression on you then. I mean, he did this episode. I just thought I was meeting him. He stands out in a number of weird ways, but this was a very strange way to what I thought was meet him. It was him stumbling in and then getting immediately kicked out. He was staying with Frasier, which is interesting. But not for long. Yeah. I liked the girl he was with. She delivered the I love your curtains line perfectly. He did. Yeah. And then I think when we go to see him in the next scene, he's with a different girl, right? I don't think we see the woman in the next scene. Yeah, but I think they have different names. Correct. This is Loretta. Climb on up, Susie! What? You cannot rule out with Simon that he just had the name wrong? That's true. Fair point. Simon attempts to shack up with Roz, who nearly takes pity on him. When he tries to invite his floozy, she throws him out. Big thing for the upside down. This is our first time in Roz's apartment. She definitely has one, and it's very much on the water. Yeah. Yeah? It seemed really nice, I thought. It seemed a little more nautical than I expected of Roz's apartment. I want to say there was like an anchor type of thing or like a lifesaver type of raft. I don't know. There's stuff that didn't strike me as particularly Roz. Like, it was a nice apartment, but it didn't seem like where I thought she would live. Maybe she just wants sailors to feel comfortable there. Oh. Maybe that's all her trophies from past scores. There seems to be some kind of familiarity between them. What do we think happened between him and Roz? I think it's just flirtation. I don't think anything exciting. Sorry, I'm boring. Yeah, you don't have to be, man. You can throw out some fun guesses. I think that he definitely tries to hit on Roz, at least. That much is... Yes, for sure. It seemed like Roz would have been into it from the conversation. It seemed like Roz might have been down, but something, you know, some sort of Frasier-y thing came up and it didn't work out. I thought Morris Simon just messed it up by saying something stupid, but that's an interesting perspective. We're just blaming it on Frasier. Because Frasier's fault. Yeah. It's a safe bet. Yeah. I assume they did hook up, but him saying Frasier is a big contraceptive block, I bet Frasier blocked it previously, too. It's definitely one of those two, right? Yeah. They either hooked up or Frasier cock-blocked them. We got another little bit of weird stuff that doesn't jive quite right for the upside down. Martin has a Winnebago, and apparently everyone knows about it. Yeah. I mean, are you excited to see the Winnebago? I assume we see it in the previous episode, because Simon's so familiar with it. I have to assume we don't see Simon the rest of the series, right? Are you sure it's going to be next episode? You say he's so familiar with it, but isn't the joke that he couldn't find it because it was hidden behind an RV? No, it was blot, is what he said. Blot. Yeah, not hidden. He couldn't get into it. He went right to it, apparently. The joke is he saw the Winnebago and thought it was blocking the Winnebago. Oh, is that the joke? That's what I thought. Because a Winnebago is an RV. I thought something was going down previous episode that blocks the door. What did you think a Winnebago was? I know it's an RV. I just thought there would be another one near it. No, that's not funny. It depends what happened in the previous episode. I love the idea that a joke doesn't land because you thought it was a payoff to a setup that happened earlier. That's how Ryan has to think. I know. I think that's one of the funny things about this podcast. You know what? I'm doubling down. That's definitely what happened. You're an idiot. Okay. I can't wait to watch that Winnebago access get blocked. A whole episode about Winnebago blocking. I think since I had my own upside down adventure, I tend to agree with Ryan more. That he can relate. Yeah. I get his opinion. Okay. I'm sorry. I can't take it. I don't want you on my team. Team Samsung. Okay. Why does Martin have a Winnebago? What could possibly be the reason? He's old. Old people love that. He's now on the other side of owning Winnebago. I don't, there's no way he can legally drive. He's stubborn. He's not going to let it go. That fits. Same reason he still has that chair. Yeah. It's why he has it, but we haven't heard tell of it in the latter years of his life. Like it wasn't, it didn't come up in seasons 10 or 11, but. This is the last run of the Winnebago is that someone can't get into it because they, I guess, confuse it for something else. One of the things about the scene that I thought was interesting, we get, I think, a pretty great use of Roz. Sometimes she's shoehorned in and I feel like this is a believable storyline for her, an interesting storyline for her. I was really happy with this use of Roz. Yeah, I think so. I think, I think we've got the Roz voice that we like where she's at first like, no, you can't stay here. He gives a real sappy speech and then she's like, all right, you can stay on the couch. And then the second he goes for more, she's like, what are you doing? Get out of here. And literally throws the bag over the balcony. Knocking over Susie, didn't he? That was confusing. She might have killed that lady. It's hard to tell how, how high up we are. But we never see her again. So it's possible. Yeah. Good chance. She died. You guys said he's back in later seasons. It's been a long time since I watched. Was he with anybody? It wasn't Susie. I'm assuming. I think the only episode we've seen him in was the last episode of the series where he's basically a cameo. If he was, if he was in that episode, like these guys are claiming and they don't know, don't just because they say it with authority doesn't mean that they have any idea. But if he was, none of them had a girl with them. There was just three brothers on their own. Okay. Okay. So yeah, she died and that's fine. What did you all think of the speech Simon gave? Just let me stay one night. You won't even notice me. Just look, the tiniest spot on the floor would be a gift. Look, I'll be gone in the morning. I'll never darken your doorstep again. Please, Roz. I've got nowhere else to go. He's a pretty impressive actor because he plays annoying so well. As Simon, usually he's just kind of an annoying character. I'm there to annoy the other characters. But when he slips into this emotional moment, I did believe him. Like it was very compelling. And I appreciate the punchline. I love that he gets the yes from Roz and tries to bring a woman in. But I thought it was pretty good. What about you, Frank? I do think he plays it very well. And like I mentioned earlier, I know him from Cold Case. And it's a much more serious kind of emotional role. He's the least famous Baldwin brother, right? That's who this guy is? No. No, he's not Baldwin. He's definitely Baldwin. No. I don't know who you're thinking of, but he is not a Baldwin. Steven, Danny. I don't know. One of them. No. Miko. I don't know. Whatever the least famous one is. I don't think so. Either way, the contrast of him playing his normal irritating drunk self was so off from what I'm used to seeing him that I actually didn't believe it for a second when he was giving the speech. I mean, he did a good job with it, but I knew he was going to be just, there was something that was coming. I actually thought he was going to make a move on Roz. That's what I thought. I thought that too. I thought that's where we were headed with it. I liked the speech and then I liked the twist. I wish he would have then tried to put the moves on Roz. That failed. And then he still tried to invite Susie up. He does flip though from being, he goes from being super annoying to super earnest and you do genuinely feel bad for him for a minute. And then he immediately goes back to annoying and it's, you flip with him. You go, I'm annoyed at you. Let him in. I'm annoyed at you. Yep. Well, okay. Here's a question though. Like Frank, you're saying you didn't really buy it. He knows the other Baldwin. That's all. It's just familiarity. I guess I could see a world in which it's just the manipulator in him. Like he's just there to extract the resource of a couch to sleep on and he isn't being sincere. He just knows how to sound sincere. But I don't know. I did not strike him as that savvy. To just clear up, especially for Ryan's, the actor Anthony Lepatia is his name and he's from Australia. So he is not a Baldwin brother. Anthony Baldwin was from Australia. That's close enough. Is he a Hemsworth? Niles loses his mad money to Gert in poker. She plans to move back to England to rely on Simon for her support. Womp womp. Did you all think that was a terrible idea when you heard that he was, she was going to rely on Simon? I mean, obviously. I don't really get it. She doesn't seem that hopeless and he does. I get why she would think he'd stay loyal to her. I don't get why she thinks he could take care of her. He clearly can't. I looked at him more as like, she sees her son as like a mother would and not his flaws. So I think that that's how I took it as. That's how I took it too. Yeah. But that doesn't mean he can take care of her. No, but she thinks he can. She's been around him. Not necessarily. Your mother thinks you're 10 feet tall. No one talks about it. What? Another poem? We do see in this episode some, in a later scene, I think, some more of like Gert sort of putting Daphne down, but kind of defending Simon. So I think she's got some rose colored glasses with him. I can appreciate that part. It's the part where you're like, he can definitely take care of me that I don't. I think you're not that delusional about your kid. She might think that he's loyal to her, but it's totally another thing to be like, he'll totally take care of me. Like, he clearly doesn't have a job. How's that going to work? We know she's kind of a grifter too. Do we think maybe she knew saying I will be relying on Simon was just a way to get wealthy Niles and Daphne to foot the bill for her to either stay around or be a made woman? That's a good point. She is methodical. I don't think so. That's an interesting theory. You could write it that way. I don't think that's what we saw. Well, and undercutting it is that instead of trying to make him go to the bank, she just wanted to play for foot rubs. But in the long game, she knew she could get the better coins that way. Oh my gosh. That line where Niles says, I know I can get my coin collection. That was very funny. It was. Can you not drop seven scenes from now, Curt? Can you stay in the moment for a minute? Is that not the scene? It is the scene. It is the scene. Yes. They're playing poker. Yeah. What scene are you talking about? Isn't that the end? No. No. It's the scene. I guess I thought that was very so normal. I didn't write any notes down. This scene is even that long. It's just them playing poker. It felt long though, didn't it? It might have seemed long because this was sort of a moment of real connection between Niles and Gert. I don't think we've seen that before. I feel like usually they're either at odds or he's just sort of embarrassed by her. But they seem to really like they're playing games together. Like they're, she's living with him and they're kind of hanging out. And it's, I thought it was actually kind of a nice scene. Yeah. And he seemed genuinely happy when she said that she was like accepting that, you know, her husband had basically dropped her and she was ready to move on. Is that how you took that though? I took that as he's excited. She's going to leave. I think it was both. Yeah. Hmm. Like, cause he says, made a lot of progress in a short amount of time. And I can't tell you how happy I am. I felt that was like genuinely happy that she, you know, was ready to move on from her husband. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. But I'm also choosing to ignore that because I like the world where he just wants her out at all costs. It also feels like, you know, as a psychiatrist, he can probably fake that. Up late again, Frasier fails to exploit Daphne's Britishness to kill that flag. Simon returns to steal food and booze for his trip to California. Daphne is upset as he slinks off, abandoning their mom. Frasier starts off with the gray, the flag was still there line. Really, really good way to start the scene. And then he, it's like, oh, Daphne, you're not from here. This should offend you. And then she gives this weird speech about how she always dreamed of living in America as a child. Like she's from like a third world country. It was really weird. Well, Manchester. Oh, it's just a third world city in Europe. It's like the Columbus of Britain. No, you guys lambasted me for calling them Irish. The more that we hang out with the moons, the more I'm convinced they're Irish people with just a weird, a slightly British accent. I do like Frasier's very Frasier way of describing her being a British woman. As a subject of the British realm. Because, you know, that's how people talk. It's a blink and you miss it. Did you catch that Simon, when he enters the scene, he calls Daphne Stiltz? Yes. Yes. I missed that entirely. It was on my third watch because this took us so long to air. I finally caught it on the third watch through where I was like, oh, that's apparently a familial name. You watched this episode three times and still didn't know when the poker joke was? Every time I watched through, I added no notes. It's just like, oh, yeah. Does Stiltz ever come up again? Yeah. Her dad calls for that when we when he finally sees her on the series. And that's the season finale of this season. It is clearly like an affectionate pet name that her her family has for her. But I think it's only the men in her family, because we see a lot of Gert in the latter two seasons, or I guess just season 10. But she never refers to her as Stiltz. Well, it's clear Gertie hates her. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Doesn't she use full names for everybody? Nope. Daphne's mom. Gertie? Yeah. Does she give everyone cool nicknames? No, that's what I'm saying. Like, she does. She's too proper to use nicknames. Oh, oh. Gotcha. I'm sitting here. I'm like, OK, Frasier doesn't. I guess Frasier occasionally or Frasier. Niles is not ever like Nellie or whatever. Is it just Marty and Martin? Is that is just you just say Martin. And that's the only like nickname she doesn't adopt. Certainly in this episode, there's a prim and properness to her that I think she once she finds out her daughter's getting it on, she loses it. I think she has a mental breakdown and becomes less proper after this. We'll get there. But how about Simon coming back, grabbing some snacks for his trip? I was actually surprised because when he says I'm I think he said I'm here to get provisions. Yeah. And I thought for sure the joke was going to be he was going to open it up and grab alcohol, which he does. But I was surprised that he also had like chips and other snacks. I really thought it was purely going to be alcohol. And he grabbed a very modest six pack. And to do it, like he highlights the point that he doesn't want to become a driveling drunk while holding the six pack. I would have definitely thought it would be, you know, arms full of just alcohol. And we know Frasier is good for it. Oh, yeah. When we meet Frasier and try to move his furniture around, should we be should we be stealing alcohol, too? Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. But not not to vex Frasier just because of the high valued alcohol in that apartment. Exactly. You have to do it a little bit at a time, though, to not give away our other schemes. We've all stolen alcohol from our from our family. We know how to do that. We know how to slowly replace it with not alcohol. Holy shit. That would be hilarious. When he went and it started being watered down. He would notice that quickly. If we were to replace the cherry with like just grape juice or whatever or or medicine, because that's what it closest tastes like. Yeah. Not grape juice. Grape juice is giving it too much credit. Yeah. Cherry flavored medicine. Yeah. There we go. That's good. We get a second look at Ernest. Simon. Thank you. Yeah. He goes from being this, you know. Did you call him Ernest? Oh, he was. No. The moment was Ernest. Know what I mean? Oh, I'm sorry. You know, he's doing his Simon stuff, being a babbling buffoon. And then, you know, Daphne's like, you got to step up and be a man. And he turns to her. He's like, I'm just that's just not me. It's not who I am. And I thought that was like a really, really interesting admission, like almost a touching moment where he's like, he just knows who he is. You can't do it. It is disappointing that he's not going to take care of his mom, but he's very honest about it in almost a respectable way. I think part of what makes these moments land so well is in like a traditional, like modern show, you've got like a soundtrack, you've got like a score of music underneath the talking and the dialogue. And they'll use like music to underline things. But sometimes if they really want to emphasize something, they actually turn the music off. And like, it's really, truly just dialogue. And that really kind of highlights what they're saying. And it can be really affecting. And I think in a sitcom like this, it's the lack of laugh track. It's not that often that a show like this is that still, that kind of quiet. And that this show gets that quiet when he's talking about this stuff, I think really makes it feel more serious. Yeah, I agree. And also on top of that, just the fact that it's such a tight cast and you know that this guy is not going to be a recurring character. So there's not going to be any character development. You know that what he's saying is final. Like he's not going to take care of his mom. You know that. Oh, you're right, Frank. You're right. That definitely turns out to be true. Even more alike of that moment. Props to Anthony Hemsworth. Like he really does deliver it perfectly. You know what? I'm just very surprised you got the guy's first name right. So I'll give you credit on that one, Ryan. You couldn't even remember his character's name, but you got his real name right. I was so focused on making that joke. It was incredibly well done. Daphne brings the news to her mom at Niles' apartment. They have a confrontation that ends with Gert insisting on leaving, but then faking an injury so she can stay. What a juxtaposition between our two scenes. You know, it's hard to know how to address this properly, but I will say Daphne comes in and smashes it. She's not going to be shown up by her brother. Excellent speech she delivers. In case you haven't noticed, I've got dreams too. I even moved halfway across the world to make a life for myself. Do you admire that? No, you don't even acknowledge it. A nice moment for her because she doesn't get a lot to do on this show. And we get to hear about all the dudes she's banged. So for the upside down, we've seen a little bit of the snappiness that she has where she can snap at you and fire at you. I assume we're going to see that in previous episodes, but the way they imply is that she's certainly never done this to her mom. So maybe there's a chance she doesn't do this the rest of the series. I don't know. I want to back up a little because at one point, Niles and Daphne are talking about, well, you know, I got to go back to England. I got to get my mom settled. I got to at least go for a couple months to like take care of her. And Niles right away is like, you've got a life. You can't just leave. And I'm thinking she works for Niles's brother. Both of them have plenty of money to get by with temp helpers. Like they don't need Daphne to be present every single day. Like what a selfish Niles moment to be like, I have to convince you to stay because I don't want you to go, but I'm going to pretend like it's for your benefit. Well, no, I'm surprised of all the people you're saying that like you're the one who's been in a long distance relationship. You should know how hard that can be. Of course it would be hard for both of them. I'm not saying it wouldn't be hard. I'm just saying like Niles is Mr. I'll buy you anything. I'll do anything for you. But then being apart for a couple months is too much. He says she has a life here. She does. What do you mean? Why should she uproot her life? Just because her mom's going through some weirdness. If she was saying in that moment, I have to, we have to go long distance and I'm going to be away for years. Like if she was like, I'm moving back to England to semi permanently, that would be one thing. But she's very much like, I just got to get her settled. I just got to go back for a couple months and make sure she's okay. Which maybe he knows and she knows that it would extend beyond that. But the way it's written, it's, it feels like she wants a leave of absence and he's saying, you can't do that. I didn't. That's not how I take it. I take it as, you know, don't, don't let your mom manipulate you. I took it that way too. Okay. Maybe I'm wrong. How does it feel? You know, it's a, it's a new sensation. At least I took it as that's the way the show was trying to present it. I don't think the show is trying to present now as being selfish, even if maybe it was. It's tough for us, Frank, to be fair, because you don't know this. Niles is a selfish monster in season 11 for sure. And a little bit in season 10. So like we've been teed up for this kind of Niles. I don't know what he's going to be like before this, this season, but as soon as Daphne is pregnant, he's a monster. Yeah. That's the, I think that's part of it is like, I, I'm instantly seeing a man saying, I don't want to lose my girlfriend as opposed to, I don't want you to suffer because your mom's manipulating you. Which maybe isn't fair, but that is, that is where my, where I'm predestined for. That's what we've been predisposed to. Predisposed for. I mean, that's fair then. I honestly, I forget what most of the later seasons are at this point. So I watched a few episodes after this. Apparently most people do too, because the way we talk about Niles and Marty on this show is different than what everyone else seems to have in their head about them. What did you guys think of Mrs. Moon's fake fall? It was very believable, right? Before we even get to the fake fall, like when she first walks out, Niles says, I just got her to bed, but she comes out fully closed in the same clothes she wore earlier. So I'm not sure what he meant by got her to bed. I assume he wasn't like changing her, but it is weird. No, if I walked her to the bed is what I took it as. Yeah, but it just struck me as odd. They were like, she's, she's already asleep, but then she walks out fully clothed. Oh, he didn't say she's fully asleep. This is, you know, when Frank and I are trying to put our kids down, this is, uh, you go, I got them to bed. And then as soon as you turn around, they're right back up every time. Yeah. You basically as a child certainly acts like it this soon. Yeah. We do have Niles just be like, oh, you did such a good job. I'm so proud of you. You made up all those people you got with all the former lovers. Yeah. That was a good time. It is genuinely fun to watch Niles in real time processing that. And you could see it on his face as he's congratulating her as it is excellent. Speaking of his face, I can't decide whether I found it hilarious or entertaining when she says, uh, basically they're going to bang every night and his smile. Yes. It's almost like a Grinch like smile. Yes. He's just staring at her mom with it. He is. It's so weird. I would describe it as, as Niles's attempt to be like methodical, even though he's not in this, but he, he like his attempt to be methodical. I wasn't sure if he was directing it at Mrs. Moon or if he was, that was just like, he was just delighted at the thought of it. I couldn't work that out. I think he was delighted at the thought of it. I don't think it was to Miss Moon. So when you say methodical, what did you mean? No, like it's his attempt to like be a little methodical. Like he's so excited to like get in there. I don't think you know what methodical means. Shall we move on? Or we got to talk about the injury. Okay. Talk about the injury. She's so pathetic. I like that it's the worst fake fall in the history of fake injuries. Here's the thing. You say she's so pathetic, but it worked. So I'm not sure you can actually call her pathetic. You can't just kick your mom out. It doesn't matter how big a monster she is. You can't be like, no, I know your injury is fake. You're out on the street. It worked. I don't, I don't count her as pathetic. What would be pathetic in your mind, Brad? If it didn't work. Brad doesn't think it's as pathetic because he has a long history of faking injuries. Yes, exactly. Thank you. It's an art form. We've never once agreed to let you live with us. That's not true. Is that how you and Curtis live together? Yeah, he really wanted Joey instead of me, but you know. But then you fake that knee injury. Bingo. Best thing you know, you guys are living together. Yep, it all worked out. I see where you're defending her. Very cute. Now it all comes full circle. We get a title card. Not one of them knows the second verse. Frazier attempts an impassioned speech at the condo board, but they hate him and love Cam. Cam makes a deal for Frazier's parking spot and further manipulates the mob. I want a quick check in with Frank. How do you feel about these title cards and the title card situation? So I was actually going to ask you guys, and I purposely did not look into it. What is the second verse thing even referring to? Is it referring to the anthem or something? I think so. This is a common theme with the title cards. Usually they're a pre-joke. They're referencing something that's going to happen in the scene, but by the time you know what the reference is to, you've forgotten the title card, and so it doesn't land at all. So I'm pretty sure this title card is saying, despite how patriotic these people are claiming to be, none of them know the second verse to the America the Beautiful song. I was going to say, it's not the anthem. It's always a joke that is really abstract. Are you team title card or are you against the title card, Frank? And don't spoil any, because I know you're one to do that. I am team title card just because, what is it, a second that it's on the screen, it just adds another layer to things, even if I don't get it all the time. I'm team title card. Well, spoiler alert, you've not seen New Frasier, have you? I have, actually. Well, I watched the first season. Constant title card. Okay. 30% of those episodes was title card. Am I the only one that kind of forgot about the storyline until like halfway, until the scene started? I was like, oh yeah, this storyline. When I watched it, it didn't feel like we had been away from this for too long. I think because they sprinkle in some moments about Frasier, like when he's confronting Daphne, trying to get her to be anti-flag. But yeah, in our conversation, when we're talking about all the meat and potatoes of this story, and then we finally get back to the flag, I'm like, oh right, there was a flag. I thought we were at the end of the episode with the Daphne standing up for herself scene. I mean, it's definitely the B or C plot, but it's an insane scene for so many reasons. You think it's insane? Why don't you move to Iraq? What does that respond? Then people are like, yeah, move to Iraq. It's that annoying old guy in the back. It's crazy to me that no one else besides Frasier is annoyed that there's a giant flag at their balcony. So let's start with the logistics, because I know you like that, Brad. I love logistics. Logistics drop, logistics drop. We got ourselves a logistics drop. We know cams above them. Yeah. This flag, like the way we see it, it looks just massive. You're telling me that this isn't going into anyone else's space? It's got to. Or if it is, they're cool with it? That's what I'm saying. He was like, oh, well, what if we put on the north side of the building? I was expecting a bunch of people to be like, no, I don't want that blocking my stuff. Right. No. The excuse was the lighting. It's such a crazy response. I couldn't properly light it. Ryan, thank you for keying me up for logistics, because this is going to be a logistics statement. Think about it. It's five months after September 11th, or six months after September 11th. Oh. Oh, that helps. That is a very helpful context. Well, thank you. This is what I'm here for. So I feel like they almost purposely had to do like a supportive flag episode. That's kind of how I took this whole episode. And I'm sure Curtis thought that way, too. Well, I do think it's clearly a post 9-11 story. Yeah. Like, if anything, this is treating the sort of patriotic fervor post 9-11 as it's sort of lampooning. Yeah. No, it's someone using that for gain, which I'm sure no one else did. But he happened to. Yeah. Manipulating mobs to do terrible things to normal people is behind us now. This is not a political podcast. Back to the lighting and the problems of this. It's a fire hazard or some crap, right? I don't know what law it's. What? How is it a fire hazard? I don't know. It definitely violates something. And I can't tell you why. It's blocking airflow. Yeah, it blocks the airflow of the balconies and stuff. It probably is an issue. Ryan's actually probably right. It's obviously probably so aggressively if you're on my team. I think when he's talking to Marty earlier in the episode, he does say, like, this is a no-brainer. The bylaws are on my side. Like, I am right and I will win. And Marty's like, the rules don't matter when people are emotional about this stuff. Yeah. And that's, I think, what's happening. That was the weakness. The earlier scene was that Marty looked a little too competent. I love that your hate for Marty is so deep that you don't even want to see him improve. No. Why would I? You don't root for Hitler just because it was early in his career. Oh, let's not go there. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, Brad. Yeah, don't make fun of Brad's favorite guy. You love for Hitler. Sorry. Sorry. You miss a lot, Frank. Brad likes Hitler. He talks about it sometimes. Whatever. There's video evidence of that. I would shake Hitler's hands. Odd. Right? It's unusual. Anyway, so Cam gets in and he's just like, yes, I thought about the lighting. And we just can't. We got to light. We got to light the flag. And then he just starts singing and they all are ready to go. They all jump right in. I love that they can just, he can start the song as cover for them to negotiate. Time out. Juan, Ryan, you're the biggest sing-along person ever. So you'd be just, you'd be jumping in so fast. So don't even give him a hard time. I was singing in my living room. What are you talking about? Exactly. I was waiting for verse two, though. You'd be the only one. I don't think there is a verse two. So what did you think of the negotiation? It seemed like the obvious thing was to put it on the roof. Like, I don't really know why Frasier didn't just pitch that instead of the Northside bullshit. Was it worth giving up his parking space for it? Hold on. So to answer your point, Ryan, I think he has to buy a pole. He has to buy an extra thing to put it on the roof. And I think maybe he thought, okay, if I try to pawn this off on somebody, when you say on the Northside, that's going to cover somebody else's balcony. And that person's going to chime in and be like, oh, I get it now. This is bad. I think he miscalculated and thought that would be a winning strategy. That actually makes sense. Yes. But the roof just seems like the obvious move. Oh, you got to save it for negotiations. Yes. Oh, you think he back pocketed it just in case that didn't work out. Oh, that's interesting. If that gives Frasier a little more credence, then he probably deserves. I do think Frasier's good at always having like a plan B or C. Is he? I don't know if I agree with that. There's definitely no evidence for that in the series. I'm not saying his plan B or C is smart or works out, but I think he always has a backup plan. He usually falls apart when his A plan doesn't work out. Just a few episodes ago, he called a doctor and instantly fell back on, I'm from the Nobel Prize Committee. I just really adore the crotchety old man who really hates Frasier. And when Frasier tries to chime in with, you know, I'll pay for the flagpole. I'm part of the solution too. And the guy just says, credit grabber. I miss that. I hate that guy. Really? I mean, I would hate him in real life, but as a foil for Frasier, I love him. This is a reoccurring character and he's annoying both times we see him. I don't know why. I think I'm a little bit more team Frasier than I expect at this point. You're so anti-Marty that you circled back to pro-Frasier. And I kind of like Cam, so I should be fine with Cam coming out on top here. But I don't know. I was with Frasier on this one. And fuck that old guy. So I have a question for you, Ryan. Does this scene make you excited to see how we get there? Like in the first episode of this? I wouldn't say this scene's the reason. I'm excited to see how we get here. But I don't assume it's because of the condo board. Yeah, I don't think this scene necessarily makes me feel like, oh, the previous episode must have had a real nugget. But I do think that this scene is really well structured, well put together. Every beat works. Yeah, that's true. Now that you said it's post 9-11 and it's fairly recent post 9-11, like maybe this is realistic. It felt so, so bananas and bizarre and like watching it now. It's like this would never happen, but maybe it would. I think Curtis was on to what he was saying earlier, that it was a major commentary on the entire like U.S. population at that point just being crazy with their flags. Yeah. Without questioning it, like without thinking things through at all. That's interesting too, though, for Frasier to take this shot, like the show, to kind of take the shot when we are still pretty freshly wounded from 9-11 is actually a really interesting and crazy move. Yeah, you're right. Gert returns from the doctor with nothing found. Niles decides Gert will stay with him and Daphne will not yet move in. I didn't think Niles necessarily needed to do that. I get why he did. I was expecting Daphne to be kind of like, no, but she, I was actually shocked that she just kind of leaned into it. I mean, I get it's her mom and everything, but given everything that led into it, put her up in a hotel or something then. Well, that would be easy. Then we wouldn't be able to write half the episodes from season 10. Frasier plays this out with Niles cleaning out Gert's unmentionables from that scene. She is a fucking animal. That is horrifying. I forgot about that. This doesn't make any sense in any situation. Like, I'm sure this is some old timey thing she's doing, but like Niles has all the up to date cleaning stuff, I assume. When she first says it, I thought she might've been talking about like a bathroom somewhere. It wasn't till actually when we get to the scrambled eggs that I realized she literally meant the kitchen sink. Cause we're like a kitchen sink is not where I'd want to put any of my clothes. That seems very gross. Do you think Niles also doesn't have a washer dryer? My guess is if he does, the reason she wasn't washer dryering them is because they're delicates and she wanted them to, she didn't trust them to go through a machine. Famously not a cycle on the washer dryer. She seems like someone that would have hand washed her, her delicates. I don't know. I assume she has someone else always doing it, but I guess she could. Here's the trick. You, you take your delicates, put them in the sink, let them soak. And eventually whoever you're living with, they're going to have to move them. So they will clean them for you. I just, I'm taking it. She's moving them in the bonus scene because she has quote unquote hurt her knee, right? Uh, I guess. Cause otherwise why isn't she doing it? I don't know. Frank, what do you say? Did you like this episode? I did. Yep. I did. Are we doing the rankings? How would you like to rank them? I don't know if we ranked them the same way last time of the year. It's been a while. I think we did. Although I don't remember how I ranked stuff last time. I was asking chat GPT. I was trying to get inspiration. I think I typed in like, how would you rank Frasier episodes or something like that? And what that it gave me was so good that I decided to keep it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Frank's an excellent chat GPT-er. Unlike you, Curt. I'm terrible at it. It's just, you guys know how to type it in. I don't know. We can't be taught. Don't worry. It's fine. You can have the skill. We're not going to have it. You are the future. We are the past. It's fine. So one crane is, uh, it's like the worst of the worst. It's this episode is as dry as now's as sherry, perhaps saved by a witty Roz quip. Two cranes is slightly more entertaining than a dull Seattle drizzle. Maybe a flash of Daphne's charm lifts it up. Three cranes is a solid chuckle with a side of toss salad. Worth a second watch, especially for Eddie's antics. I mean, strike the Eddie nonsense, but this is incredible so far. I was going to give it three cranes, but I purposely did not on this ranking because of the Eddie's antics part. Four cranes is as delightful as Frasier's best radio advice, solid laughs and memorable moments. And then five cranes is perfection. Makes you want to shout goodnight, Seattle with joy. Watch it again with your best sherry. That is incredible ranking. And I will be stealing that for future Frasier episodes. But it's fine. It is a solid ranking system. I didn't even need to adjust it at all. I was like, hell, I'm just stealing. This is perfect. I was going to give it three cranes, but the Eddie's antics, I mean, there were unfortunately was no Eddie in this episode at all. Thank you for talking to that, Frank. That's very helpful. Frank, really quickly, before you give your answer, I'm I'm so curious to know if knowing you can't go three out of five. Are you going to punch this up and say it was worth four? Are you going to punch it down and say it was only two? I'm I'm so I'm on the edge of my seat. Please proceed. I'm I'm punching it up to four. Whoa. I'm giving it as delightful as Frasier's best radio advice, solid laughs and memorable moments. That's the other problem with this rating is that Frasier doesn't give advice. He doesn't. But it's just saying it's not saying that it was in the episode. It's just saying as theoretically he might give advice. OK. Yeah. Whereas the other one was definitely implying that Eddie's antics happened and there was no Eddie antics. So I'm going with four cranes. And suck it, Curt. Your stupid game can't happen tonight. Brad, what about you? How would you grade this? Yeah. So not not as strong as as Frank just did. I was not a fan of this episode. It was like fine. But like it just went on. It felt like it went on forever. It felt like it was a two hour long episode. It just it didn't flow well. I just was not a fan. There was a couple of funny jokes. I'm giving it a C minus. This is interesting. We've got a better than average, a worse than average. And here comes me. I ranked this 42 out of 70. Yeah, that's probably close to me. When you hear the numbers like, oh, is that right? It's really going to depend. We know Curtis mails this stuff in. I'll give you this. It's the first time you ever said 42. I don't remember saying the 40s ever. This episode is right in the middle. This is not on the low end. It's on the high end. It's maybe a little lower than middle. But this I actually we just recently watched Wheels of Fortune. And I would say this is not as good as that. But it is better than Moons over Seattle, which is the season closer. I think this is just such a season. I know you put that next to this. They're both season nine episodes. And I think that this is just a very season nine app. It just feels in the same vein as the rest of season nine. Wow. Ryan, we've had three wildly different opinions. Are you going to agree with anybody? Are you going to concur with anybody? Or are you going to strike your own path? I'll tell you what. I usually write down an answer beforehand. And then sometimes adjust it based on how we talk. But minorly, right? Forgot to this time. Just didn't. Nice. And so I'm listening to you guys. I'm like, how do I even feel about this episode? I don't know. There's a lot of really good moments. You got huge sight gags, right? You got some really funny, wild scenes towards the back of the episode when I like to see them. It's a lot of Gertrude. And she's not the best Gertie we've seen. It's not the worst. She's more for the storyline purposes, which is usually a downer. But I think it by and large works. I think I'm definitely more where Frank's at. I think I'm probably giving it maybe six, five. It's closer to the seven range. It is pretty good. I'm not really sure where you two are coming from. What's the worst parts of it? Other than I guess it feels long. It feels long because it's diverse and interesting, though. I think it had a few good jokes. I think it had a few interesting story points. I don't hate it. But it just nothing really jumped out as above average or special. It blows the season finale out of the water, both as an episode on its own and the fact that that was the season finale. Curtis gave that one too much credit. So that's part of the problem. And that's fair. I will agree with you there. But to put those two next to each other is insane. There's been five worst episodes at least this season. I will agree with you on that one. But this has not been a strong season. This has definitely been our worst season. And now we're what? This is episode 13. So we're halfway through the season? Yeah. I think this was a perfectly suitable halfway through the season episode. Yeah. If the season was going to go up from here, great. Yeah, this is fine. The fact that it tanks after this, I don't know. I don't think that's on this episode. To be fair, I think it does go up after here. It just tanks later in the season. No. It was like two good episodes. Yeah, that's what Curtis is saying. There's a couple good and then it goes down. Yeah. I think you guys have been doing this one dirty. We've seen much worse this season. Okay. Despite an impassioned, patriotic speech, Fraser is cowed by the mob. But how will we fare? We are each going to take turns proposing something reasonable that the rest of us should agree with. But the mob is going to behave like the dumb, panicky, dangerous animals that we are. Whoever comes out the least scathed wins. Who wants to go first? Vacations are awesome. What? You think vacations are awesome? Interesting, Sal, though. Who doesn't enjoy a vacation? Oh, you mean having to go to the airport, wait for your plane, get stuck in a tiny plane with a bunch of strangers, all to go somewhere overpriced, expensive. Bullshit. Vacations are stupid. I'm going to throw this out there. Frank's only flown one time and I was with him after he flew. Yep. So take the airport bit out of this, Curt. Irrelevant to him. Brian, you know you're supposed to be part of a mob. I do, but that's why I want to hear more of what Frank's idea of vacation is because I know he's only flown once. And he was fucking delighted by it. The airport, honestly, yeah, that had no effect on me. I saw Frank after he landed. He's like, oh my God, the world's so big. There's so much to see. It's so true. Getting away from work, getting away, period. Even if it's a staycation, just being able to relax and, you know, not have to worry about things. Who doesn't like a vacation? Now, see, that's where you lose me. As someone with kids. I have come to appreciate the staycation in my older age much more than I ever hoped I would. Were you saying a vacation with your kids or were you saying a vacation without your kids or just vacations in general? Ooh, no way to come out looking good after this. Vacations in general. I was including staycation as part of a vacation because that's what we did this past year. But I'm willing to split them up if needed. That's two different things. I think a staycation is very different than a vacation. Well, not only are they different, they're different words. If you have to use a different word, I don't think you get to count it. You're saying you like time off work. How do I file it for work? I put it in as a vacation. Even though it's a staycation, it was a vacation for work purposes. Got you there, Curtis. Rocket, Kerry. He got you on form. He got you litigiously. I want to fight it, but you know how I feel about bureaucracy. Very in favor. Because I don't think we pushed back as much as I thought we would as a mob. But should we move on to the next one or do we have more to say about vacation? I just want to say in totality, I am now on board with doing a bonus day off of work after whatever vacation I've planned, which I think is a bad sign for vacations. That is a really good point. You need a vacation from your vacation. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah, you're right. And you know what else? I think there's nothing better than where you're from, your home, America. If you want to go on vacation, why don't you just go to Iraq? Yeah. Yeah. Frank, why don't you fly to Iraq? I thought for a second that Curtis was doing his and that was his one. Go to Iraq. Yeah, that is my one. I think we should all fly to Iraq. I guess I'll go. I value my time not being wasted. And yet how long you text. I think that every store should have at least one self-service checkout. Oh. Oh, I have a store one too. Wait for that. I have to process this one. They have, okay. They should have at least one self-checkout? At least one option for me to not talk to a person, not wait in. I mean, sometimes you have to wait in kind of a line, but usually a faster line. Like I want to be able to just run over, scan my stuff and go. I don't know. Have you ever been to Target? You want someone to lose their job. Hey, Curtis, are you pro theft? Yes, absolutely. Are you kidding? Okay, cool. Because literally Target and some of those stores got rid of some of their self because the amount of theft they were having was increasing so high. Yeah, because have you ever been in a Target self-checkout line? And say there's four self-checkouts, there's always four people that are manning it for 35 fucking minutes. I don't know what they're doing. Right. Three of them are pulling out cash, which is crazy. Ryan, you're talking to a former Target employee. Like anyone lets you near the cash registers? No, I was, you know, I did the announcements. I was in the changing room, which sounds weird when you say it in a lot. Yeah. Attention Target team members. Shut up. Don't do that. You've already done this on the show. Shut up. You're telling me you were in the changing room? That can't be right under any context. I was the one. I was like, how many items do you have? They would say four. And I would say, here's the number four. Go into that changing room. I was really good at it. Counting? You told us you were in the jewelry section. I was. I was in jewelry. It was right near each other. It was about the same thing, Brad. People have to try on jewelry, Brian. I could do it every day. You're telling me they either put you in jewelry or the fitting rooms? Or sporting goods. Those are the three things I was good at. Anyway, we agree. I did well. This is apocalyptic. Yeah. I think there's a lot of places where this wouldn't work. Like you're used to it in a grocery store, right? Or, you know, a Target or whatever you call those stores. Department store? Yeah, whatever. There's a group of stores where it clearly works. I think there's probably a lot of stores where it doesn't. They're not coming to mind immediately. I actually really can't think of any. At first I thought of a bank, but those ATMs. Yeah. The original. It's not the same thing. This ATMs is not a self-checkout of a bank. It is. It is basically a self-checkout of a bank. It's totally the self-checkout of a bank. You can't go get a home loan at the fucking ATM. And isn't that a travesty? I'm on board. You've won me over. All right. Well, this is going well. So far we're a terrible mob, but Ryan. Gentlemen, I mentioned that we banned the mobile audio without the use of headphones. The only acceptable use of sounds from a mobile device, and see here's the kicker, is none. No exceptions. Shut your fucking devices up. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you loved fascism. I thought this was America. What? Is this a communist country or something? Where people can play whatever they want, wherever they want, however they want. As loud as they want? Absolutely not. I love fascism in this case. What if you're at a pool and you don't have a boombox or a speaker? Is it a public pool? No, but it doesn't matter. Obviously, it's just in your backyard that's different. I don't think you gave that kind of specification. No, you didn't. You didn't. Yeah. You just said in general. You know what? Shut your devices up. Enjoy the pool. In silence. Yep. Enjoy your silent pool time. Have some built-ins if you're going to have a pool. Spend the money. Get a rock that can also play music. I was worried mine was going to be worse than Ryan's. I have nothing to worry about. Got it. This is a terrible take. Nothing I love more than being on the train and sharing space with other people and hearing some guy's tinny iPhone music. The fact that you could even play YouTube on a train is that should absolutely be illegal. I don't understand it. And it's a crazy move every time anyone's ever pulled it out. It's like you're just looking for a fight. This should just go ask people for a fight. Don't play your stupid video. We have two parents on the call. So I'm actually curious your thoughts on this because I was in a waiting room for a doctor's appointment. I was getting my yearly checkup the other day and there was a mother sitting with her child. The child was, I don't know, five or six or something. And the kid was playing a game or watching a video. I don't know what they were doing, but they were on the phone. And I get that the kid needs to be entertained to not be like themselves loud and annoying, but that the audio was playing did really annoy me. Thank you for supporting Ryan. Got it. I know. I don't mean to support Ryan, but I'm just curious. I'll tell you what me as a parent would say, but I want to hear your take first, Frank. On what you're saying? On what Curt was saying. Like, am I wrong to be mad at that mom for letting the sound be on? No. All right. No, I don't think you are. I know you're not. The kid will be entertained. Maybe they're playing it like, like some sound that they could just hear at the table. If you're hearing it, it's way too loud. They're violating, you're violating all social contract. There's so many things that you could have them do on whatever they're listening to that sound on that doesn't require ridiculous sound. No, you don't need to be blasting that. I think we all agree that Ryan has admitted he hates children. No. No, I hate terrible parenting. And what do terrible parents start out as? Children. Ryan hates children. Annoying children. Children that got to listen to mobile sound. All right, Brad. So, you know, yesterday I went to the gas station. And if you got gas and you paid with cash, it was cheaper. And that's how every place should be. Did you go into the gas station? You should, yes, of course. Why did you go into a gas station? Because I would have paid with cash. Want to. If I go to a gas station and the sign pops up that says go to the cashier, I go to a new gas station. Every time. Yes. Every place should give you a discount for using cash. I always have cash on me. Lots of cash. You should always get a discount to use cash over a credit card. Such a weird thing you're advertising. I always have lots of cash on me. No one can come up to me and find out. Every day I walk down this street to this location. I will be completely happy if someone hears this on the podcast and stops me at this point. And tries to rob you. Brad, what are you talking about? We will take any fans we can get. We will know we are a successful podcast when Bradley gets mugged. There we go. Please film it for our TikTok. But like, I don't know what you're hoping for here. Half of our fans are your co-workers. Like, they easily could rob you. Nah, I'm like the scary strong dude at work. Defend your position on cash, though. Because I get what you're saying. Like, technically your argument is that there should be a discount for using cash. Yeah, absolutely. But it really seems to be predicated on the idea that you like cash. And I want to know why. Because that seems crazy to me. A couple reasons. You know, government stealing credit card information. You know, identity theft. Go back to that. The government's definitely going to, you know, steal all of our credit cards. You're saying our cover? Yeah, for sure. I think they have that already. I don't think that's a problem. No, identity theft, all that. And like, it's a piece of plastic. You should be able to use paper. Your final point, your closer, is I like paper. Is this like an environment thing? And look, think of it this way. You never know when you're going to end up at the casino. Like, you always got to be prepared. Do they not accept credit cards at the casino? You can take cash out, but you have to use cash to gamble. They have to, you get chips at a casino. What are you talking about? You don't put cash down. What? To get the chips. What are you talking about? Yeah, you put cash on the table and they give you chips. You can also use a card for that. Not on a table. You're saying once you've run out from other gambling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I see. There you go. And then you change it into plastic. So what are you talking about? Cash. Cash is king. What kind of discount? 3%. That's all you need. That's just the discount for how much it costs to use a credit card, right? There you go. Yeah. Those cases already have a 5% credit card upcharge. Exactly. So you're saying like you walk into a McDonald's, you're going to demand that they lower the cheeseburger by three cents? Exactly. Three cents. I think it's more than a dollar. I don't know what you're living in. They have a dollar menu. I thought they have a value menu now. How much could that be? I have no idea. I couldn't tell you last time I went to McDonald's. I don't see why as a credit card user I should promote the idea of making your life cheaper. I like your life being expensive. I genuinely love a credit card or a debit card. Like I don't like using cash. Anytime I see someone use cash, I honestly get like mad about it. I'm like, what are you doing? Well, you're just taking a long time for a transaction. There was a whole commercial about that where it was like people using credit cards and they're all dancing around and all happy. And then somebody in line pulls out cash and everybody's mad at him for not using a credit card. And I'm with you. I think that it was on point, that commercial. Court gets cash once a year from her grandpa and she spends it immediately. She's like, oh, cash is free money. I'll just go spend it. Whatever. I don't care about that. But when she goes to actually spend it, it takes so fucking long every time. Whenever some place has tapped and I can just use my phone for it. Like I'm moving on from credit cards at this point. Just give me tap. 100%. I'm ready to move on from credit cards. Even you're right. Like let's make this as convenient as possible for me. And I pull out some antiquated bullshit. You're out of your mind, Brad. Hey, I'm definitely the best of this game. I was the only one that had a fun one. But it's just your real thoughts, though. It doesn't count. It's just your real opinions. Cash is king. Wrong opinions. Yeah. It's just Brad's normal wrong opinions. I feel like all three of ours were like, oh, we're kind of pretending like we don't like this. But we all kind of agree. This is the first one the mob really does genuinely hate. Thank you. I think I just won the game. Mazel. I actually think the whole point of the winner was supposed to be the person who comes out like we had the hardest time fighting. Yours was the easiest fight. So we don't really have a definitive winner. We just have a definitive loser. Bradley Kirkston. You know what? I'm an individual. Well, we also have a preview coming from Ryan. Ryan, why don't you tell us about what to expect next week when we cover the previous episode at Season 9, Episode 12, Motherlode, Part 2. This is the longest one I've had in a while. I mean, it's mostly just recapping the things we learned in this episode. Daphne agrees to move in with Niles. Gertie shows up because Senior Harry Moon finally crossed the line. He finally told her her antique doll collection wasn't worth shit. Cam hangs a flag on Frasier's backside. Wait, don't we know that he left her and not the other way around? Do we? What? That was like the whole point of the episode he was in was that he left her. No, he was just, we don't, I don't think we definitively know that. I know Niles goes to get him back, but that doesn't mean he left her. She could have left him. I mean, clearly she made it to America. Okay, well, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I don't think I'm wrong, but sure. You're wrong. Hmm. It's definitely the antique doll thing that makes a lot of sense that I didn't write two weeks ago. Well, I guess we'll find out next week. That will do it for us. No, don't do it. You're depressed well. You have to do like a positive well. We're leaving the episode. And I should be excited to be ending this. I think we should be excited when it starts, not when it ends. Ooh, touche. Well, that's going to do it for us. Sorry, guys. Sorry you're not going to get any more of this. But thank you to Frank for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thanks to Gavin McLeod for our theme music and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod. Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. For myself, for Ryan, for Brad and for Frank, Curtis has entered the domicile. Well, despite the... Don't do that sad well. Do a different transition for the segment. I usually cut the wells out anyway. Yeah, he does. Oh, okay. Even I know that and I barely listen. You don't know that. No, I do. I listen to it at work because people want to hear my beautiful voice. No, I know you're lying. Well... Sorry. I force people to hear my beautiful voice only so I can get Curtis to say well multiple times. Well...