Don Juan in Hell Part 2

Title: Imaginary Mend Activity premise: Each of us will face a dire situation.; To aid us through it, we will pick a Frasier character to be in our head to talk us through. Rules: Any character that has appeared on Frasier in the episodes we've seen the last three seasons.; The other side of this is, if we as a group do not like your choice, we can vote to inflict; a different character onto you. Adjudication method: we can vote to inflict Method: discourseRole: reported scenario provenance; clauses: I didn't bet these that thoroughly.; I just threw it in Chatshaputin and got some scenarios. Final state summary: I think that did it.; I think we're cured.

Choice: Gertrude Answer qualification: I'm going to go the lying route and I'm going to pick an interesting character.; I'm going to, or to myself, I should say.; No, because she is so good at lying that she can lie to herself and believe herself. Result qualification: Unresolved: Brad chooses assistance with self-deception; the desired plant state remains unresolved. Adjudication: That's not a bad pick, though. Final state summary: Because I think in a weird way, I think Gertrude would be better at helping me than Marty.; I think Marty would get bored and just leave.

Raw prompt: Every Wednesday, the same day repeats and no one else notices.; You remember everything, but can't seem to break the cycle. Prompt: You need to pick a Frasier character to help you with this. Answer qualification: No, only for Wednesday.; You have the rest of the week to live your life.; It's the same Wednesday. Rules: scope: Kenny current choice; initial: Any character that has appeared on Frasier in the episodes we've seen the last three seasons.; replacement: I'm going to limit you to anybody in this episode.

Welcome to Averse Psychology, the Frasier Rewatch Podcast, where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we're covering Season 9, Episode 2, Don Juan and Hell, Part 2, which originally aired on September 25th, 2001. Is this when Frasier is visited by the ghosts of girlfriends past? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Sheck. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer, it's Ryan Sansone. Curtis! I don't know, we're watching Ghosts tonight, that's exciting. Oh, if only. Love Ghosts. Also with us, someone I'm certain would make a terrible pot roast, it's Bradley and Margaret Bam! Boom, boom, boom, the Bam is here. Ever since you gave me that nickname, every day people are stopping me in the streets to congratulate me on the nickname. It really has helped my fame. Sounds great. It has helped with my fame, my notoriety. Finally, I'm famous for something else, you know. Bam! It's been really great. Best part of that, at the time of this recording, that episode not released. And we have a special guest with us today, it's the Bloodhound, it's Kenny Sheck! Hey. Bloodhound! Bam and Bloodhound. What a combo. How's it going, guys? We decided last week you would be the Bloodhound. I do not remember the context, but I made a note of it as if it was important. I forgot about it. Ryan named him that, and the plan was you were supposed to tell him that, and we had a whole conversation if he was going to be the Bloodhound, Kenny Sheck, or Kenny the Bloodhound Sheck? Yeah, which one do you like better, Kenny? Oh, I have no idea. I'm so blindsided by this that I'm overwhelmed. Classic Bloodhound. They're always blindsided by everything. They're all sniff, no sight. Right. Oh, I see his blood. So middle? Is that what we landed on? I think that's what we landed on. Middle, sure. Yeah. Kenny the Bloodhound Sheck. Okay. Before we get into the opening discussion, Kenny, I understand you've got a fun announcement for us. Oh, sure. I am starting a monthly live stream where I'm going to be showing movies, double features, once a month, on Fridays, or it'll be a Friday each month. And I'll show movies, and I'm going to show movie trailers and all sorts of good old-fashioned movie theater film scans. It's going to be a blast. To get the Frasier Reverse Psychology audience interested, are these going to be like Kelsey Grammer movies? What kind of movies are we talking about? If Kelsey Grammer's in a lot of public domain movies, then maybe. No one knows what the public domain is. Are you going to be watching things backwards? That's what we do. Yeah. No, I'm going for an old-fashioned forwards approach. I'm hearing a little neo-modern approach. Okay. When is the first episode? The first episode is going to be June 13th. I think a Friday the 13th is a fun way to start it. That is fun. Great. So you're going to do comedy movies on your first one? It is going to be actually comedy horror movies. It's going to be A Bucket of Blood and Little Shop of Horrors. Oh, never seen either one. I've never heard of A Bucket of Blood, but Little Shop of Horrors, isn't that like a very popular movie? Isn't that a musical? This is the movie the musical's based on. Oh, that's interesting. The original, okay. The original is like 1960, and it was made genuinely over a weekend because Roger Corman, the producer, said they're not going to tear down the sets until Monday? Well, then I better just slap together a movie now. I saw it in theaters. It was good. I was going to say, Brad predates movies. He's that old. And I predate live streams. Can you walk us through what exactly this is? How does this work? What exactly will you be doing? I'm just very curious. You've told me a little bit about it, the movie side of it, but I don't understand how a double feature works on YouTube. Sure. Yeah. I mean, on YouTube, it'll be a live stream. It'll start with me. I'm going to be a host. I'll come in. I'll say, I'm going to show you some movies, and I'll talk about the movie a bit. And then I'm going to actually just play the movie like from, I've opened broadcaster software, and I'll be playing the movie from there. And it'll go straight to YouTube. And then when it, you know, it'll have trailers and all that before the movie. I'll come back after in between the two movies and kind of introduce the next one, have more trailers and stuff. That sounds cool. What's the name? It's going to be the monthly movie Mayhem. Oh boy, M. Got it. Just a ham. Like may, H-A-M. Mayhem. Okay. I heard mayhem. Like you really emphasized him. Ma'am. Monthly movie Mayhem is the companion piece where I watch his live stream and eat a ham sandwich. While eating ham, I'll amend. I'll be part of team Mayhem. I'm going to be a competing live stream where people are just watching a screen eating sandwiches. I probably won't. Still mind. I'll just watch you while eating ham. Are you worried about the live element? Because like we've had to cut a lot of your brother being very racist. We're not going to specify which brother. Yeah. We don't know which one. I mean, in terms of the live, I'm going to have like just notes in front of me. I mean, I work in live television, so I'm kind of not too worried about it, to be honest. Because I'm not, I don't plan on rambling too long. I'm not 100% sure Ryan understands what you're doing, so it's fine. That's okay. I know. Something without a long ramble? No, thank you. If you've ever seen like an old movie, like Whore Host, it's a little akin to that. Like Elvira? Like Elvira. Are you going to put on fake boobs? I'm going to have fake boobs. I mean, I'm not putting on much of a costume so much as having crazy lighting and stuff. It'll be really cool. Have we nixed the idea of costumes completely? Because like, I think that should be on the table. I just don't feel like putting on a costume. I think about how good you can look in them. Are you going to have a persona? Are you going to be a different Kenny than the Kenny on this podcast? It'll be a slightly exaggerated version of myself, I think. But mostly, this is where the uber movie nerd is really going to come out. Because I have a ton of movie knowledge I need to put somewhere. I need to expel it from my brain, maybe. And if I, maybe if I do this live stream, it'll help. Maybe. It hasn't helped all of us. Never know. We're all going to make sure to tune in. It's June 13th. What was the time? Oh, it's live. Time matters. 830. What time zone is that 830 in? That is going to be an Eastern standard time zone. I'm excited for June 13th. I remember everyone, June 13th is ham day. We're going to be watching Kenny's stream as a ham. I like it. A link to the channel is in the show notes. Well, what I really wanted to talk about before we dive into the episode, Fraser retreats to a cabin in the woods because he's clearly a woodsman. I'm curious, where would all of you retreat to when you need solitude or comfort? What's your happy place? Is that what a solitude retreat is? Is it a happy place or is it a contemplative place? You said make it not depressing. So this is- I wouldn't say make it a fucking happy meal either. It doesn't have to be your happy place. Look, it's either dark and gritty or it's Disney. Those are the options. Okay. I have an answer though, that to some people would be considered happy and to other people be dark and gritty. So I think mine might work for this. All right, Kenny, why don't you go first? That's a good idea. I would say it's probably the movie theater because I've been in situations where I need to work through things and I'm going to go see a movie. That's a great answer and very Kenny. What kind of movie would it be? Or is it just any? You just need some movie farmer. I think it might be any. I mean, I would say I once lost a job and I went to a movie just at that moment and it was like Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which is a movie about people going, I'm not where I want to be in my career. And I thought, this is really speaking to me. Is that why you went there or you weren't going to go there anyway? I just wanted to see the movie anyways. And I'm like, I'm going to go see it now just to hopefully cheer myself up. And I think it just spoke to me. It struck a chord. I'll say that. Just happened to be the perfect guiding light for you. Right. Well, none of us are going to top that. I should preface this with, I'm not really the most normal person. I'm a little weird. I'm a little strange. So nervous right now. My place where I am the coolest version of myself, the least stressed, is at a casino. I am very calm at a casino. I turn into a different person. It's my thinking place. It's my place where I can be, you know, the weird Brad character that I am. You need that much overstimulation to calm down and behave like a normal person. I will go next. Mine is pretty boring. I just go to my bedroom. Like, I just want to be alone in my bedroom. Not even trying on this one. Well, I don't like I, I don't want to be out in the world. I don't want to be exposed to other people in any way. Like I want total alone time and I'm not going to be more comfortable in a hotel room or in like some other place than I'm going to be in my own bed. You know, I didn't go to whatever room I was going to go to anyway. I thought he was going to say a long walk. Yeah, that was, that's the correct answer. I don't know what he's talking about. Yeah. You know what? That is the correct answer. But I don't think of that as like a location. That's like, oh, just an activity. I see you're getting pedantic for the question. He just decided to go more boring. It's fine. It's totally fine. Ryan, do you think you could be a little more exciting than Curtis's answer? Are you going to go the opposite direction? I don't go to contemplate. I wish I did. You know, you've never had a reflective thought in your life. Never once. But me and Court are super into survival shows. And one of our favorite tropes is whenever, if it's one of those, like they're by themselves, see who can last the longest ones. You can always tell when, when the guy's about to go home, if they're staring at open water and just not saying anything, not moving. That's when, you know, they're going home the next scene. So I want to try it. I think that would really, I think that'd be a good look for me. Sorry. You want to be on a survival show or you want to go to stare at some water? I want to go stare at some water until I've come up with a decision. Huh? Okay. Sorry. We can't all pick something sexy. Like go to our room. I would love to see Ryan just staring at water. I don't know how long I could do it. You see them on the clip. They'll do it for like two minutes. And it's like, it's long TV to watch. They must do it for like 10, 15, maybe even like two hours. I think I got three minutes tops. You know, you're supposed to be thinking when you're looking at the water, right? I said three minutes, Curt. Like I don't know. I'm not recreating the constitution. How much could I have to think through? Well, should we think through what happened in this episode? All right. We open with fireworks over Seattle. Kirby's dad, Bob, tries to win back his mom, Lana, on Frazier's advice. Perplexingly, Frazier was hoping to date Lana, having just dumped Claire. Is this the only scene we get Kirby for? In the whole episode, yes. It feels like we get a lot of Kirby. There's a lot of Kirby talk. It seems like he's even going to be around longer than we expected. We kind of theorized he'd be on another episode. Sounds like he might even be in season eight, though. What is this, about the fifth episode this season we've seen him in? This is the third. Third? That was close. But yeah, it feels like a lot. Like obviously he'll be in the previous episode, but he said something about something happening months ago. So it's highly unlikely that's part one. You're going to find out, Ryan, he's been there since season one. It's technically in play. It's unlikely. I'll say that. But you got to meet Kirby's parents. Yeah, yeah, we did. Let's start with Bob. What did you think of Bob? We didn't get a lot of time with him, but he was annoying. Yeah, he was pretty useless. He basically shows up to announce that he wants to be reunited with his wife. She behaves like in a way that he clearly can't handle because he immediately leaves. Like he doesn't seem that invested in getting back with her. He doesn't say anything specific to indicate why he would want to be back with her or why he loved her in the first place. It's all very general and we never get to see the actual makeup. We have no idea if they ended up making up. This was a weird way to meet someone, wasn't it? Because we've got some history with Kirby at this point. We meet his dad who seems to suck right away. Goes in and does a horrible job making up with his mom. Comes back out. And then Kirby gives like a very, you know, like decent speech about like going to fight for him and stuff. And like you kind of felt for Kirby in that moment, even though he's an idiot. There's a lot of weird emotions to be had at the start of this. All a waste, turns out. Yeah, we don't get any indication why Kirby. I mean, I know he's it's his parents. Why he wants his parents to get back together is what you're about to say. What I'm just saying. We just don't know why. We can assume just because it's his parents. But there's really nothing, not even a tiny character trait given to Bob to make him seem at all likable or interesting. Or like we don't even see like an interaction between him and Kirby that indicates like a bond. Like it's off. It's all just so generic. I don't know how you guys watch these shows backwards. I was just like coming into this going like I feel like I don't know half of these people in this opening scene. I remember like in vaguely Kirby and Lana from when I originally watched it way back in the day. But I was like, man, I feel like I've just been put into the middle of a sitcom and have no idea what's going on. And I think that's because I was. Correct. Just to justify this a little bit. What's fun about this. We experienced this, I think, in season nine a little bit with the Roz Roger situation. So Roz spent all of season nine dating Roger and we almost never saw him. And it was really interesting seeing how that thing ended and how it began. Because things that made no sense early started to make a lot of sense later. It's like watching a mystery where you're trying to figure out what's going on. It's fun. The self-induced mystery. Yeah, but that's fun. I choose the mysteries. They don't choose me. It'll be interesting to see if next episode pays a lot of this stuff off. It doesn't seem like it's going to going to. I have a weird feeling we're going to get a lot of Bob in the previous episodes. So be ready for some Bob action. I hope not. I just felt like maybe at the beginning of season nine, they hadn't wrapped up the Lana thing. Maybe they were scheduling conflicts with Jean Smart. Who knows? But it seemed like maybe they were just like, let's wrap this up as quickly as possible and just move on. So let's talk about Lana and Jean Smart. Right before that. This is, again, this is, I think, our third time seeing Kirby. I've liked him more and more every time we see him, which is, again, a weird storytelling. Wherever you watch it the front right way around, like he just gets worse and worse every time you run into him. Yeah. That happens with a lot of characters. Well, and Ryan, like you said, we only get one scene of him. So it's not like you get, you get Kirby'd out. It helps. That does help. I'm not going to lie. They don't give him a lot of just obvious he's an idiot moments in this episode, which I think helps. There's no real indication of that here. They get the apathetic son vibe in this one. Yeah, totally. All right. Talk about whoever, Jean Simmons. Who are you talking about? Jean Smart plays the character of Lana. And if you don't know who Jean Smart is, Ryan. Oh, is that a girl? I definitely thought that was a dude. Who? You've never seen Hex? Have you said the whole title? Okay. Yep. Ryan just does not know TV. It's cool. I'm guessing he's been watching a lot of Bluey. I have been watching a lot. I've seen every episode of Bluey six times over. But that's before he had kids. I would. I would go back and watch it without him. Bluey's a delight. Highly recommend. Watch it forward or backwards. You'll have a good time. I can't Google her. Did you see Garden State? She's in Garden State. I did see Garden State. Yeah. Is she Zach Braff? Yep. She's Zach Braff. Have you seen I Heart Huckabees? No. Have you seen Homeward Bound? I have. Is she the dog? I think she might have been like a mom or something. I think she was the mom. Oh. I don't remember any humans in that movie. Well, there were. I don't know. I feel like she's just one of those character actors I've seen in like a guest star and a lot of stuff. You guys must have a secret TV show club. She literally just hosted SNL like last year. We're talking about things people watch, Kenny. I watch SNL, so I don't know. Right now? Yeah, I watch SNL. I watch SNL. Okay, I get it. You guys all like the same TV. That's super cool for all of you. The rest of us, the listening audience and myself, don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Okay, we can move on. Oh, but at least you didn't waste too much time researching me. Frazier's self-flagellation continues as he convinces a vulnerable Lana to give Bob another chance. I see what you mean, Frazier. The only thing I noted is that Frazier knocks, but then doesn't wait for a response. Just comes in. Waste of a knock, I think. Knock, knock. Everybody decent? Oh my God. Once again, Ray, saying knock, knock is not the same thing as actually knocking. You know who does that often? Yep. The guy that's talking right now, Bradley Kirkston. Yeah. Makes sense. That's awful. At work, they call it my doctor vibe because like doctors will do that. They just knock and walk in. So they call me Dr. Brad. Why do doctors do that? Is that so you can shout like, I haven't finished zipping my pants up yet? What's the point of that? I think they knock to just be like, I want you to know I'm coming in and I want you to, I want to act like I care. But also, I own this building. That's exactly how I think. So it's perfect. It is always interesting to see Frasier be the good guy. Is he being the good guy here? I know that he is kind of bowing to Kirby and like even though he has selfish intentions with Lana, he is setting that aside to like help her get back with her husband. I don't think any of that makes him the good guy. We're talking about just when he gets into the bedroom and he's got this vulnerable woman. That's what we're talking about. You mean because he didn't try to sleep with her? What do you mean? Yes. He told her to go back with her husband. Yeah. What I'm saying is that yes, instead of trying to manipulate her into being with him, he's suggesting she should give her husband another chance. That is not bad guy behavior. But what I'm saying is I feel like we've got nothing to go on to suggest this guy's actually good for her. Like he's not giving her any caution. Like, you know, hear him out. But, you know, be cautious. He did hurt you. He's been gone a year. Make sure that this is the right choice. He's just kind of leading her towards maybe you should go back to your husband, which is maybe not a good choice. I don't know. What is this? A psychoanalyzing this, Curtis. Yeah, this is. I'm now questioning you. Yeah, this is now next level. A little left fieldy from you. He's just going off of what she's saying and some of the things she says. And he goes, oh, it sounds like you really probably should give him another chance from how you were talking. I didn't even feel like Frasier was really leading the conversation. I felt like he was really just going off of what Lana was saying. She's saying I've still got feelings for that guy, basically. And he's like, all right, clearly this isn't going to work between the two of us. Curtis over here like, why don't you just come back? See, that's not how I read it all. Clearly you read it wrong. Okay. Let's hear your reading. I heard her saying this guy has been gone a year. It took me a year just to get over him. And the minute I do, he swoops back in. Like she did not strike me as like I'm ready for him back. It sounded like at a minimum she needed him to sacrifice something for her. But Frasier jumps immediately to, it sounds like you should give him a chance. Where is this coming from? What are you talking about? From the scene. That's what we're talking about. What are you talking about? She says it. I have waited over a year for that man to come back to me. And when I finally get to the point where I never want to see him again, he walks through the door. Yeah. Yes, that might be true. But Frasier literally says, The truth is, you wouldn't be having this crisis if you didn't still have feelings for Bob. Right. But that's him saying that. That's not her saying that. You're all saying that he's just going off of what she's saying. He is. He's going off of that. He's taking what she's saying and running with it. But I think his psychobabble is bullshit. I don't think just because you have conflicted feelings about your ex-husband. That's a different story then. It doesn't mean you automatically are truly in love with them and that's who you're supposed to be with. Who hurt you? Right. Who hurt you? It was Ethan. Anyway. This is jarring. God, I didn't know Curtis had such a black heart. I did. This sounds like a Brad stance. I'm so confused. So funny that you're framing this as I'm some sort of black hearted person. I feel like you're the ones being uncaring. Like she's in a very vulnerable state and being thrust back into what seems like kind of a shitty guy. I feel like that's the dark moment. I got the impression that it was she was basically saying I was struggling to get over him and she's not really over him. Yep. And that's what I got from the scene. That's what I heard too. And Fraser going, oh crap. She's not really over him. That's the way I read the scene. But there was definitely a moment he could have tried to swing her. And he didn't. Right. I think he just was like, I better walk away from this because it's too complicated or whatever. That's fine. I just don't think it was she was saying you have to go back to your husband now. And he's even though he's horrible. I don't think that was even what he said. Right. I agree. That's a monster. We all agree on that point. I agree with you. You're not wrong. I think that there's a leap from this scene. After this scene, it's basically confirmed she did go back to him and she does still love him. And I don't feel like we got enough out of this very abbreviated part of the beginning of the episode to justify all that. That's all. Did they confirm that they got back together? Yeah, I was going to say they didn't really confirm it. He basically was like, I think they're going to, you know, they're going to try and work it out or they're going to like at least talk. We never revisit Lana. So we never get any real closure on what happens. But yes, Frasier frames it as it's all but certain that she loves her husband and is going back to him. Whether or not that's true, we don't know. We'll never know. Yeah, that's fair. Ryan, what did you think of Lana, though? Because it seems like she might be around. We get a brief moment with her here. Just as a character, her personality, what did you think? You know, she seemed kind of like a generic character to me, to be honest. Yeah, you really only got two scenes of her, so. Yeah, it was kind of like the run of the mill problem that, uh. Frasier character. Yeah, right. I agree for the most part. The way the scene ends, though. I just want you to know, Frasier, that no matter what happens, you are a really good. Don't. Don't use the F word. I wasn't about to. I was going to say we're friends. The way she kind of cackles to herself about that and falls over on the bed, I thought that was delightful. I thought that showed a lot of personality in her. I'm excited to see more of her. That was a strong line from this episode. I, I'm more excited to meet Claire, but, uh, yeah. We'll see if she's got anything else, else in there. Of course you want to meet the perfect woman. You're so boring. I'm excited to see what everyone thinks is Frasier's perfect woman. Or at least his, his head. That is an interesting thing, right? Because we are not going to get to know this character and come to like her and be on team Niles, Daphne, and, and Marty about, like, this is the greatest woman of all time. She's perfect for you. We get introduced to her perfection through everybody else saying that. And now she has to live up to that. Right. I'm very excited. Watch her now live up to that. Marty, Niles, and Daphne suffer through a bad pot roast and pine over Claire. When Frasier arrives heartbroken, they offer platitudes. I don't know how much I like the Niles, Daphne, uh, Marty combo. The trio? Yeah. I don't know if it's for me. You mean the, we had nothing, so we just, uh, put them in a scene together trio? And add them talk about their son slash brother's ex-girlfriend? I do wonder though, Ryan, because we have a long-standing issue with Marty. Or you do. I do. I think it's a growing movement. People realize he's a monster. The way that he kind of doesn't take Frasier's shit and just sort of is like, you can't keep a woman. Fuck off. Like, I wonder if that endeared him to you or if that made him more of a monster in your eyes. He had a couple of sort of flipping lines this episode. And it's fine. It's better than normal. Okay. I was already a little annoyed with how much the three of them were into this girl we've never met. Yeah, to the point of calling her and hanging up because they don't know what to say. And that's another time where you go, Marty, like, you're a very old guy. What are you doing? Talk like a normal human. I understand why Niles and Daphne freaked out. They're slightly younger than you. Like, Marty, you're on your deathbed, bud. What are you scared of? Take a chance, bro. Yeah. Get that lady who can probably cook is what I assume we were supposed to take from that. We get a title card. Head trip. Frasier is driving to a cabin to be alone with his thoughts. He begins to imagine his exes Lilith, Diane, and Nanette psychoanalyzing him. Hey, it's the reason I was on this show today. Yay! You love the Cheers people. I do love the Cheers people. Cheers is my jam. This is what I remember of this show was that I remember the people popping up in his head and all that. I remember this episode. I remember them advertising because it was like, oh my God, they've got Diane and Lilith. I was going to say, you can't comment, but for me, I was shocked to see Diane. This is the last time we saw it. Yeah, that must have been wild. You didn't get like a thumbnail spoiler this time? No, I did not. I got the thumbnail spoiler of Kirby. I was like, oh, it's a Kirby episode. Nope. Psych is a Diane episode. What? What a head fake. I was shocked to see Lilith and then Diane. I was like, what the fuck? What did you think about getting a non-Metcalf Nanette? I think this is the third, at least the third Nanny G we've seen now though, right? Frasier, I've never stopped loving you. He's a hopeless romantic. Come on, give Nanny some sugar. There was a Cheers episode where they introduced Nanny G and it was a different actor from this. It was. And then two years after this episode, they recast again. Thank God. Because this one, she was weird. I mean, this is his memories of his 20 year old love. So it's different. Like she's a 20 year old versus the older Metcalf version. Yeah, that makes sense. That's what I took out of it too. It's interesting that we got actual Diane though. I mean, actual Diane's much closer in age to, she was older when he met her, whereas Nanette would have been like, he was 20, she was 20 kind of thing. Yeah. But I mean, we did see her on Cheers, like around the same time we last saw Diane. But she doesn't look in, in 2001, dramatically different than she did in 1990 or whatever. She stopped being on Cheers. I think it was way earlier than that. So in 1973, when she stopped being on Cheers, whatever. Thank you. Were you, were you a Diane fan, Nanny? I did like Diane. When I watched Cheers, I liked that, that she's the reason Frasier even showed up on the show. That is weird. Yeah. She is the catalyst. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, without Diane, you wouldn't have Frasier. You wouldn't even have this show. Well, I always liked the Sam Diane thing. I always liked Diane as a, as a sort of, you know, she was an idiot who thought she was, you know, clever. And I enjoyed that part of her character. You know, she thought she was smarter than ever being the bar, but she just never was. And I liked that dynamic. And you're not worried that she was the worst character on the show? At least of the mains? No, no. I'm not. Fair enough. Because we've gotten a lot of bad special effects in this show. I was actually going to give them credit for the green screen work because the, the actual, like, mountain driving he's doing looked higher def. Like, it looked like a better quality of stock footage. Until he sees Nanette. Yeah, hitchhiking, it's terrible. Awful. Her, she's just floating there. And then there's this one moment where he's driving past her and she just sort of, um, gets shrunken down and dragged under the, under the screen. Listen, she's a figment of his imagination. Yeah, she's not a real person. She's never actually there. So I think it can look fake. I will say this. I think if it was an artistic choice, that would be valid. And you can, like, headcan it away as like, oh, it was all in his head anyway. But I think it's pretty clear this was just some bad, bad work. Well, I'm going to hit you with this, Curt. I don't even know if he even went to a cabin, to be honest. This whole thing could be in his head as far as we know. It could all be a dream. I don't know about a dream. I think he's imagining it. But the whole thing could be totally imagined. No matter how we draw up this episode, something weird's going on. He's a psychopath in one fashion or another. If it's actually, unless he's imagining all of it, then it's fine. If he does actually go to a cabin, this is crazy. Counterpoint. If you're imagining and could imagine anything and you're, you've got these women in your head, would you imagine stopping at the grocery store and getting a bag of groceries? No, because I would try to, I would imagine being alone in the woods for a while until I stare at some water. That's my thing. His thing is having a well-stocked fridge in the woods somewhere. Well, Ryan, you somehow imagined me into existence like I wasn't real until one day you imagined me. Yes, and I can move too. No, no, no, you, you wake me up. Wake me up. I've regretted it ever since. What was that process like for you? A nightmare. Brad, it was a, it was a long night. You showed up and started calling me dad and it was horrible. Now at the cabin, Frazier's exes continue to argue about why he can't keep a woman. His mother arrives to join the chorus and together they diagnose a fear of rejection. Rejecting this, Frazier decides he just needs to let their voices go. So here's why I say no matter what, it's weird, right? Do you guys think that he actually went to this cabin, bought his snacks, whatever, drove to the cabin and then is physically reacting to these figments of his imagination, like all the facial movements he's doing? Or is he just sitting on the couch, just calmly thinking about all of this? Because either way, it's super weird. I mean, I just imagine he's in the cabin doing whatever you do in a cabin. Very little. But you know, he's sitting there thinking. Have you ever had something on your mind, maybe a disagreement with somebody and you kind of have like an argument with them in your head? Like, have you ever argued with another person in your head? Absolutely. I lose all the time. I assume that would be the answer. But have you ever started talking out loud at that person? No. Well, it's kind of also what I thought the answer would be. I have on a few occasions done this. I, you know, I would, I would make fun of you more, but like just last week I was thinking of an argument in my head and I was like mouthing it while, while court's reading to our kid and she looks over and she's like, what are you doing? You know, now that I think about it, I've been like in the car angry about something and I'll shout what I wanted to say. Oh, I love that. This is what I would have said to somebody. That's the energy I wish I had more often. Look, as somebody who talks to himself all the time, sometimes not even realizing it, I get it. Yeah, but you don't do that as like a reflective thing. You know, sometimes I do it as reflective, but sometimes I just do it. I'll be like, oh, hello, Brad. No, I'm Brad. Okay. Yeah, this entire scene is, is really pretty good. I like, you know, even though it's all in his head or whatever, I think just the interactions of him, basically it's Frazier trying to think, why is it that I just endlessly date a string of women? And since you're coming, you know, from the end of the show to this, we all know that he really changed his ways, right? Oh yeah. Well. The defining moment for the character. Ryan, do you know who his mom is? Yeah. Mrs. Crane. What? No, the actress? You met. Oh, no, I don't. Rita Wilson. I like cleared it up. Tom Hanks' wife. Oh, wow. That does clear things up. I didn't know that. She was in the movie My Girl. That's a real bonehead thing to say. It was fun to meet her. As shocked as I was about re-meeting Diane, this was crazy. This is crazy. And something occurred to me because I could be wrong about this, but I think there was an episode of Cheers with Frazier's mom. Yeah. No, when? You know that I would never follow through on my threat to kill her. What? As I was pricing revolvers this morning, I realized how irrational my feelings were. There's that one moment where he opens the door and it's like a bunch of women and he says it's every woman he's ever dated. But for the bulk of this, there's only four women at all and every single one of them originated on Cheers. Fact. Was Mrs. Tom Hanks on Cheers? No. It was like an older woman. So I think Rie Wilson's paying like... The younger version. Yeah. He was a kid kind of thing. But it was like an older woman. It was when he was dating Diane, I believe. Because I think Diane says something like, she tried to murder me. Not this paranoia again. You had a gun? I guess you would try... You would probably picture your mom from when you were younger. Right? Yeah. That does make some sense. Yeah. By the way, Ryan, you shat on Diane as a character from Cheers. Just because of how she was written. When she theorizes that the problem is every woman who's ever loved him has left him and then immediately starts painting Sam's face. That was pretty bright. With the biggest smile. Like, oh my God. Yeah. The chops on Shelley Long are genuine. Oh yeah. It's no shade on the actress. The way that they do this is very clever. And it was a very interesting way to look into someone's brain. I really liked that part. And you can deliver lines really funny using this method. So I think all three of them got a lot of fun lines in. All four of them. Yeah. I think it's really well written. I mean, I think everything up to this moment in the episode is like average. But I think once they're in the car trip to the cabin, all that stuff is really well written, really well put together. I think it's a good character episode for Frasier. And it's got, you know, fun moments with these people who aren't even really there. I don't know what we're going to see in episode one. Of this two-parter. But I almost wish whatever they had to do to get to the point of the cabin. I feel like they should have wrapped that up at the end of that episode. So that we could just have this whole episode be the cabin. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to imagine whatever goes on in part one makes this make enough sense. Like it just feels like a regular Frasier problem that he can't get with women and his dad's mad at him. Like that's a pretty normal thing. But we'll see. Maybe Claire's incredible. Who knows? Uh, we got a couple of bits here that I couldn't remember all of. We've kind of danced back and forth before with whether or not the mom cheated on Marty. Because there was the one episode with the gay guy who we thought they had. Yeah. I thought that episode ended on a note of she didn't cheat on him. With him. With that guy. But I think this has been referenced a time or two in another episode. And so I was, it was surprising to hear this said outright. And then I think we also got, we've heard this before too, I think, is that Lilith has slept with Niles. So that's exciting. You got a bunch of confirmations in this scene. I think some of it was reiteration. This, I don't know if we knew that Mrs. Crane cheated on Marty. It's been alluded to, I think. It was definitely alluded to, but I definitely took away from that episode with the gay guy that it was a red herring. And that was both. Apparently both. Yeah. So we'll see if they waffle on that in the past as well. And then we get to see a whole pile of women. I hope some of them are from Frasier, but none of them look familiar to me. So. I didn't pause to like really study the image. But, but I did kind of, while it was on the screen, really look to see if there are any familiar faces. No comment on whether I found any. Like at this point, we just know a list of names he's got with. I don't think we, at this point in time, because now that we've slept with Roz, I don't think there's any in the hopper that we have met. I don't think you can say we slept with Roz. Like we, the audience, and Frasier together. We all did it. The team effort. How do you watch TV? I'm so confused. I liked his conclusion where he's like, so I'm alone because I'm afraid to be alone. Like that was a fun ender. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was much more angry about it than you just made it seem, but yes. I'm sorry. I'm not doing my full Frasier impression. You'll have to get that later, Brad. Got it. Got it. Thank you. I mean, it was simple, but it was a clever bit of directing that he comes to the conclusion he needs to let go of these other women and these other voices and just move forward. And the next, you know, they zoom out or pan over and all the other characters have disappeared. Yeah. I think it's a really well-directed episode. You know, once they get to this. Frasier returns home at peace. His family heads to the movies. Then we get a title card in loving memory of our friends, Lynn and David Angel. Watching the episode, I was like, it's a perfectly fine like capper to the episode. And then that title card came up and it felt like, oh my God, I didn't need this gut punch. Easy one for you, Kenny. Life hack. Don't read the title cards. They're irrelevant most of the time. I don't know if you know, Ryan, why they were gone, but it's pretty sad. I don't know who they are. He died in September 11th, right? Yes. So David Angel was a producer on Frasier and he and his wife were on one of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers. Oh my God. What? I know. So this season would have been started right after 9-11. Wow. That is, okay. Fair enough. That is a gut punch. Yeah. It was just like, oh my God, I remember learning that back in the, at the time and being like, that's awful. I think I knew that too. For context, this episode aired, if I'm getting my math right, 15 days after September 11th. Oh my goodness. Curtis, do they run these two episodes same night back to back or was this two weeks? Yes. These episodes were aired probably as a single episode. So going back to the scene, another gut punch. How about Frasier and Jeans? It gets me every time. It's so weird. Oh, he's always in a suit. I know. That's why, that's why it's a big deal. I don't think it is. Happens a lot. It seems very common to me. You hear that, Bradley? Do you hear that? I'm going to split the baby here because I... Spurge, do not split the baby. I'm going to split Ryan's baby. I think... I'm mad with you. I think that it is very uncommon, very rare for him to be in Jeans. And I think he just looks weird in them. Thank you. He does wear them a little too baggy, right? For Frasier. Yeah. In fairness, they're like lounge around the house Jeans. It's not like they're going out Jeans. So that's fine, but... I don't see Frasier as a going out in Jeans type. All Jeans for him are to be in the house only. Right. I'm just saying when we see them, like, it's easy to judge him for looking too baggy, but that's kind of the point of them is that they're for lounging. Why you would wear jeans to lounge, I don't know. It's probably his schlubbiest look, though. Like, if we saw him in full-blown, like, sweats just, you know, giving up, like, that would be very jarring. Did we not see that on the 200th when he was depressed about losing his episode? Yes, he was wearing sweats. They made a big deal about it. That was his schlubbiest, for sure. Do you trust Brad's memory? Because I don't. I don't think that's locked in. I still think I'm right. Okay. Frasier plays this out with Marty using Niles's book light to find fallen popcorn during the movie. A decent one. I thought for a second that they were just going to do nothing, like, until he used the book light. I thought they were just going to be sitting and watching the movie. When I first looked up and saw Niles engrossed in a book, I didn't realize he had his book light and he was reading a book. I thought he was napping because he was kind of looking down. No, they did reference it earlier, though. So you should have been teed up for it. He said he had his handy little book light. I know. I remember that. And I was confused as to why he was sleeping instead of reading. It also was not that little of a light. Like, it was pretty big. Okay. I think we need to talk about this. The size of the light? Sure. No. This is Brad's Whale House. The etiquette of going to a movie theater and having any kind of light on. What kind of a monster is Niles? Niles can go right to hell. Nice. Why isn't he just sitting outside? Why don't they go in and watch the movie? He just reads outside of it. Hang out in the lobby? Yeah. That's a great cross-truck. That is a very appropriate way to do that, Niles. You know he's not eating that popcorn of those jujubees. Yeah. You can even sell. You can even get them from the lobby. You don't have to have a movie ticket to go buy movie popcorn. Another really good point. Well, Daddy, what did you think? Once they get into the car ride to the cabin, the episode's really great. Before that, it is not, but it's because it's wrapping up an episode I didn't watch. If you're watching this as it originally aired as one episode, like one extra long episode, that's maybe more forgivable. You like watching things in the normal order. We understand. By the way, because this aired as a single episode, there's a world in which we could have chosen to watch it in order as one episode, but absolutely not. Never. That's not what we do. Even that, it feels like this is two episodes jammed together, and it's one episode that maybe was a little long because it had the early scenes of this episode, and then it's another shorter episode. And I would have liked more with the cabin and less of that stuff. That's my feeling. That's bang on. Yeah. There's no reason for this to be a part two. Yeah. Brad, what about you? I'm always usually a big fan of episodes with less scenes. I kind of like that when there's a little less scenes. Although sometimes when you have less scenes, they keep on one scene for a long time, and I actually felt like it did not happen this time. What did you just say? Where did you land at the end of that? Didn't make a lot of sense. No, not at all. Did you like the pacing of this or not? I was very confused. I liked the pacing of this more than I expected, because sometimes when there is less scenes, the pacing is off a little bit, but I felt like the pacing was pretty good on this one. I did enjoy it. I agree. The first couple scenes were nothing. We're just a waste of time. I'm going to give it a solid Brad score of a B+. That's a little higher than I expected you to go. Okay. I think I'm in agreement with you all. I don't think this is the best of the best, but I do think it's a little above average, and I think that stuff with Diane and Loith really elevates it. I ranked this 28 out of 81. You think that's fair, Curtis? Okay. Yes. This is better than, and Frasier makes three with Frank. Okay. What are you doing? Not as good as Bristle While You Work with Niles getting the surprise heart attack. Okay. Your order's just fucked. Every time I go to rank an episode, I'm perplexed by the choices I've made. I can't wait till we're done and Curtis has to re-rank every single episode. That's going to be fun. It's just not going to happen. I'm going to be so mad when Frank just falls to the bottom 10 episodes. You're just like, I hate him now. I don't know. Ryan, bring us up. I loved the concept, Trey. We talked about it a lot. I think it's the strongest concept of the season, maybe, of everything we've seen from Frasier. I don't know if even the execution of it is all the way there. Like, Kenny, you talked about how good the directing is. I agreed with that, and the writing's pretty good, but I don't think we took as big a swing as we even could have, and the rest of the episode's garbage. I think had it spent more time with the cabin stuff, it could have been much better. Definitely. We have this great concept. We should have used it. I feel like we could have gotten, like, an extra scene where, before they dive into the psychoanalysis, like, Frasier is annoyed by them. Like, they're just annoying Frasier. Like, I feel like that could be a fun bit. Who's they? The figments? Well, I think they started that when they were fighting with each other and ignoring Frasier, but they could have kept that going a little bit. That was his psyche pitting them against each other so he didn't have to deal with his shit, which that also could have lasted longer. Yeah, that's what I mean. Do we want to hear Ryan's score? Yes, please. I originally ranked it a 5.6, but after talking through it, I think it's definitely lower. I think it's probably a flat five, to be honest. Damn, that is, I think that's low. I think you're a little harsh on this one, Ryan. I think you guys all went a little too, I think, again, we've got the season nine bubble. You're again ranking most of the concept. The actual episode itself is fairly poor. Whew, okay. And we know it has no lasting effects. Frasier consults his own brain, anthropomorphized as his ex-lovers and dead mom. But when we are in need, will we receive a pick-me-up or a put-down? It's another installment of Imaginary Mend. Okay, I like the name. Is that the correct use of anthropomorphized? Because I don't think it is. Doesn't matter. It's been used. I questioned it, and I landed on it. All right, what are we doing? Each of us will face a dire situation. To aid us through it, we will pick a Frasier character to be in our head to talk us through. Does it have to be a main? Any character that has appeared on Frasier in the episodes we've seen the last three seasons. Great, so this is going to be really helpful for Kenny. I mean, Kenny's got a slew of characters. He loves Diane, so he's fine. I was your last time. You guys were just at the cheers thing, so I could just pick anybody from cheers. Yeah, you've got the run of cheers for sure. Even Sam technically counts. See, his picture was in the episode. Yeah, I know. You can have the painted face, and it can talk to you. Oh my God, that'd be great. The other side of this is, if we as a group do not like your choice, we can vote to inflict a different character onto you. Love it, love it. Okay. So who wants to go first? I can go first. Ryan, pick a number between one and ten. Oh, yes, I love picking numbers. I'm going to go with an unusual eight. An unusual eight. All right. Anytime someone lies to you, even a white lie, you break out in hives. You're forced to navigate life seeking brutal honesty. That's your affliction. Oh, okay. Yeah, Ryan, what pressure card did you do with helping you with that? That's a normal everyday thing. What I love about that was just the, oh, this is what you've chosen, Curt? You really leaned into the unusual bit of this. Okay. I can try. No, no, no. We're going to do it. We're living in Curt's weird. We're stuck with this, yeah. Okay. So I have to go deal with brutal honesty. The obvious choice here would be Roz. She can navigate brutal honesty. She would probably help me match it with equally brutal honesty. And we'd probably lean into it. We'd probably try to force people to make me break out in hives. I feel like she'd also be quick to, if you got some hives, she'd be quick to break out the makeup kit and put you back. Oh, I know. I would just send her to go get me anti-hive medicine because she runs and gets stuff. I really don't want to admit it, but that really was the best answer you could have picked, unfortunately. There's a softball. I don't know. I'm going to propose inflicting one of the doctor's crane on him because- It'll help in medical issues. Exactly. As a man who has had to endure hives quite a lot, you're going to want some medicine. Shut up. When have they ever treated an ailment on the show? Yeah. Yeah, but that's why I want to inflict them on you. The whole point is, I thought Ryan's trying to solve his issue. Yeah, he's trying to solve his issue. I'm not trying to solve his issue. Oh, I thought we're trying to help him. Curt, this game. Now it's just like you're just saying like, nah, I'm going to stick it. Yeah, now you're just trying to mess with him? All right. I like it. Let's bid against him. If you have a better pick, you can bid it. I think that works. But he had a worse pick. Yeah, it's confusing. And it isn't like hard explained, but I like the idea. Let's try another one. Brad, one in ten. Four. You own a house plant that visibly grows or wilts depending on how honest you are with yourself. It's currently dying. You get a lot of honesty stuff going on right now. Curt's very concerned about honesty. I think there's some lying going on in his life. Something to dig into there on his turn. Yeah. Can we let him finish it so I can pick a Frasier character? Isn't it dumb? The house plant grows or wilts depending on how honest you are with yourself. And it is currently dying. That is the end. Is the goal for it to grow? Like, can it grow too big? What's the goal of it? To not do anything? Is he just trying to keep this plant alive that he doesn't probably care about? I'm going to be honest. I didn't bet these that thoroughly. I just threw it in Chatshaputin and got some scenarios. Okay. Wonderful. So let me pick a Frasier character to help me. This is going to be tougher than I thought. I don't really know what I want the result to be. I think that's where we're going to start is do you want to plant or do you not want to plant? That you don't have to take care of. You just have to be honest or lie about. If I lie, it doesn't grow? Is that what we said? Is that what it is? It dies. How about we say it's the opposite of whatever you want, right? So if you want it to grow and be big and beautiful, you've got to tell the truth. If you want it to be dead and you don't want to take care of a plant, then you, again, you have to tell the truth to get there. Okay. Yeah, you could just throw out the plant, couldn't you? You know, I'm not going to throw out the plant. I think I'm going to want somebody that's going to help me tell the lie to this plant. I think that's what I would like. What? Now, you're not talking to the plant. No, I know. I know. I meant like talking so the plant grows or dies. I'm going to, or to myself, I should say. I'm going to go the lying route and I'm going to pick an interesting character. I'm going to go a very weird way with this. And I don't know why I said that. I'm going to go the obvious. I'm going to pick Gertie. I'm going to pick Gertrude to help me on this one. So you are getting ready to help you lie. That's what it is. It's lying to yourself. Correct. Correct. That's why I picked Gertrude. That's not a bad pick, though. No, because she is so good at lying that she can lie to herself and believe herself. So she can help me with that. I mean, we know she's got herself convinced that her son's not useless. We know that. She's clearly lied to herself to get there. That's a good point. It took me seven years to get it. And I know I made no sense in my description, but my answer is a good one. You were set up for failure, though. Yeah, well, because it took me five minutes to understand what Curtis was telling me. I think this is his best game. It's way more clear than his normal game. I'm actually enjoying it. We're having fun. Why don't you go with Marty? Because he's a known liar and a terrible person. He's very good at covering up his tracks. Because I think in a weird way, I think Gertrude would be better at helping me than Marty. I think Marty would get bored and just leave. That's true. Marty would be able to trick the plant into thinking you're not lying. But Gertrude will be able to trick yourself into believing your own lies. Yeah. That's a sentence for the Bucks. Let's see how Kenny excels in this game. Oh, my God. That's a correct reaction. Number, please. I'll go with the good old fashioned number one. Ooh, dangerous. Every Wednesday, the same day repeats and no one else notices. You remember everything, but can't seem to break the cycle. So every week is normal, except for Wednesday is just the same day again. So let's say it's Groundhog's Day. It was a Wednesday this year. Yeah. You have Groundhog's Day. The next day you wake up, it's Thursday. You have a Thursday, a Friday, a Saturday, a Sunday, a Monday, a Tuesday. But when you wake up on Wednesday, you're back on Groundhog's Day. A week earlier. But then I'm just that. Every Wednesday is Groundhog's Day. Oh, it's Groundhog's Day for a whole week. No, only for Wednesday. You have the rest of the week to live your life. You go on living your life every other day, but every single Wednesday you miss because you're back on Groundhog's Day. It's the same Wednesday. Yeah. Oh, that's kind of fun. Yeah. I think that's a great premise. I wanted to see this movie. No further notes. Oh, I'm sorry. Am I supposed to do something in this game? You need to pick a Frasier character to help you with this. I'm not sure. I need help with this situation. Okay. Well, if you're happy with this scenario. I'm sorry. Time out. I'm throwing the yellow card. There's no way you're happy. Like, sure, the first 400 Wednesdays, it's going to be pretty cool. 500 Wednesdays in, you're going to be over it. Yeah, but here's the thing. It's like, okay, it's a gimme day. I don't have to worry. Anything that happens on that day isn't going to apparently affect me because it's just going to happen again. And I get the rest of the week, so I'm okay. What's the suicide rule here, Curt? Is it you automatically just go back to Wednesday or do you die? I think if he kills himself, he wakes up on Thursday. Like, at some point, he's just offing himself every Wednesday. Nah. It's not like it lasts forever. Like, Groundhog Day is just one day. You don't have other days to recoup. I think if you've got a week to recoup, I think it's fine. Now, if I'm going to have to just pick a character, well, you know, Norm seems like a good guy to have around on this Wednesday. Yeah, I was going to say, if you're not trying to solve this problem, you're not trying to talk through it. You kind of need, like, a wingman to, like, if everybody else in the world doesn't remember that isn't experiencing this repeating day, you need somebody to, like, hang with. Yeah, I'll just hang out with Norm. This particular one is real problematic, right? Because you would just eventually go see everyone. Right? You would commit crimes against everyone. You would do all sorts of crazy stuff. You wouldn't just be like, oh, I'm stuck with Norm. Honestly, it's Wednesday. It's the middle of the week. How much mischief am I going to get into? Because Norm's whole thing is he sits on a stool. Like, he's probably a fun guy to hang with, but, like, he's kind of, like, living in Groundhog's Day. Like, he just says the same thing every day. I feel like you want somebody more wildcard-ish. Like, maybe a Daphne would be a good, like, somebody a little bit kooky. Somebody who's going to tell you really weird stories. I'm not Cliffy. You should go with Cliffy. What? Cliff Clavin? Oh, Cliff. I don't think I could stand being around Cliff that much. Nobody wants to relive the same day with Cliff Clavin. Yeah, but you could kill him, like, 500 times. Like, think about that. Oh, that's interesting. I could kill him with Norm. It'd be great. Well, you don't get boundless. Here's the thing. Again, you got the whole week to recoup, and it's not like Groundhog Day. He, like, lives, like, a thousand years on that one single day. It's just my whole life. My life isn't getting that. It's not that bad to have that day repeated. This is not a problem. I understand it's not a problem, but I'm going to throw a flag on your choices so far. I get that I opened it up to any character that's been on Frasier that we've seen, but this is a Frasier podcast and not a Cheers podcast. I'm going to limit you to anybody in this episode. Anybody in this episode? So you can still have Shelley Long if you really want to just stick to Cheers. No, we're in Pickens, though. It is Lynn Pickens. There's not that many people in this episode. Just so we can end this game, I'll say, Frasier's mom, and we'll move on. So that's why. I have no reason. He wants to bang Frasier's mom. He wants to bang Frasier's mom. There you go. You got it. Got him. Okay. No challenge. That's clearly the right answer. Okay. Jesus. Round two, Curt. Or no, you get to go, I guess. I can do one. I'll pick the number for you. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know how to do this. I got you. It'll be, let's see, let's get 10. Let's see when you've run out of ideas. Oh, this is a weird one. Okay. Oh, this is the weird one. Normal up till now. I can absorb someone's emotional state for a 24-hour period. Curt, are you all right, man? Does it have to be Frasier characters? Can you absorb my emotional state for a 24-hour period? I've never been more worried about you than this episode. So which Frasier character are you going to pick, Curtis, to, I guess, join you in this? I mean, gosh, I'm troubled by the word can in this sentence because it makes this sound like it's a thing I would ever want to do. Can I just not? Can I just choose not to use it? No, no. Like, you can and you're going to. Okay. So if I'm going to absorb people's emotional state for a day, I'm leaning towards the psychiatrist. They seem like the, but they're bad psychiatrists, so I don't know. And they're a mess. What are you talking about? Yeah. I mean, I feel like we've seen enough Frasier with his calls to know he doesn't care about his clients and he is not good at his job. I feel like Niles at least made a passing attempt at caring about the privacy of his patient in a few episodes ago. So I'm going to say Niles. I think he's going to walk me through this one. Oh, wait. Oh, so Niles is helping you with the fact that you could absorb someone's emotional state. Well, yeah. When it happens and I'm in, I've got the emotional state of Brad, I'm going to need a psychiatrist on hand for sure. Oh, right. I forgot. I thought you were just picking who you're going to absorb. No, different game, Ryan. That's a different game. I got it confused. Yeah, that's the right answer. Is it? I love that Ryan thought that I was picking Niles' emotional state to absorb. By the way, my answer might be the same because Niles seems pretty even keeled. You see, he's so neurotic. He's selfish. Yeah, it'd be nice. Oh, you're saying the OCD stuff. Curt has that anyway. Yeah, very lateral move. Yeah, you would be just like 10 times more selfish. You would love it. I don't think you should choose Niles to help you through it, though. You should choose someone who, first of all, who wouldn't panic. Niles would absolutely panic. Oh, you know who I need? An emotionally centered person who's going to be very, like, empathetic to me. Frank. Yes! He'll have what I'm having. Frank, that's the correct answer. Frank, why is it taking so long for him to get chosen? He can help us through all of our problems. I think that did it. I think we're cured. I think so. All right. Yeah, I feel a lot better off. Yeah, I feel better about my life. Ryan, why don't you tell us what we should expect next week when we cover the previous episode. It's season nine, episode one. Don Juan in Hell, part one. Frazier will throw away his last chance at love, Kirby's mom. And the role of Claire will be played by that one chick from Sex and the City. Kim Cattrall? Probably. I just know it's not Sarah Jessica Parker. Sarah Jessica Parker? The redhead? Which one's... Yeah, the redhead. That's who I was thinking of. Redhead is... I don't know her name. Didn't she run for governor of New York? She did. Wait, who's the saucy older lady? Maybe it was that one I'm thinking of. That's Kim Cattrall. I think I was going Kim Cattrall. Okay. How'd you know that? I just know Kim Cattrall and Sarah Jessica Parker. No, how'd you know that's who I was going for? Because I know you. Okay. I'm a little confused. You're saying that in the next episode we're going to see him throw away love with Lana or Claire. I did get him confused. Because you said Kirby's mom, Claire, which is not correct. No, no. Those are two separate sentences. Frasier will throw away his last chance at love. That's, of course, Kirby's mom. And then we also will get to meet Claire. And I didn't get the two characters confused. But didn't he throw away his chance with Kirby's mom in this episode? Not the next one? All right. You caught me, Curt. I was thinking of Claire. Sorry. Well, we're going to end on the note of me being right. Well, that will do it for us. Tune in on June 13th at 8.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time for the Tremendous Kendis Monday Movie Marathon. A link to the channel is in the show notes. Thanks to Kevin MacLeod for our theme music and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod. Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. Myself, Ryan, for Brad, and for Kenny. Good morning, Belize. I hate you. And Frasier, Jesus Christ. Kenny. Yeah. Did you call Kenny Frasier? You called your brother? You called him Frasier? What is it, Miles? I was trying to address Kenny, but I was also reading the next scene. Got it. That's a weird way to handle life. Who's Ethan? Oz? He's Eddie the dog. Oh. That tracks really well. Only in one season. And he died at the end.