The First Temptation of Daphne

Title: To Catch a Literal Predator Activity request: So, as you explained, I will be releasing a critter and it'll be up to the two of you to help catch this predator by any means necessary. Interaction mode: collaborative improvised scenario Rules: You can assume whatever you want until it's said otherwise.; Once we've specified, then you have to go with whatever we agree to.; We will go with them as long as they don't contradict the past.; Only thing that does matter is you don't get to say the results.; You're not allowed to use a pre-created kill device for the target animal. Adjudication method: It's going to be a little D&D.; I don't have the die.

Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Frasier Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we are covering Season 9, Episode 3, The First Temptation of Daphne, which originally aired on October 2nd, 2001. Is this when Daphne is tempted for the first time? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Sheck. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer. It's Ryan Sansone. Curtis. Hello. It's exciting to be here tonight. It's really exciting. I was sort of literally fantasizing when I said your name that there was like a studio audience who was like applauding. Okay. Cheering. When you said you're literally fantasizing about my name, I got real nervous. Curtis is fantasizing about you. It's fine. Great way to start the episode. I don't love that. It's a yellow card, it's a yellow card. I haven't even been introduced yet. Speaking of which, also with us is an annoying chirping noise, but it's not a cricket. It's coming from Bradley Kirkston. Anne Margaret. What? You haven't watched the episode, Ryan. It's fine. You'll figure it out as the episode goes on. It's cool. I watched the whole episode. I don't know where you're talking. I get the reference, but I don't know how it relates to this moment. Why are you saying Anne Margaret? You know, sometimes in life, things just come to you and you feel impulsed to just say them. And Anne Margaret just speaks to me. Because he said Bradley. I assume he didn't say your last name. So you're like, it's Bradley Anne Margaret. The name everyone knows me as. You don't listen. He did say my full name. First of all, if your name was Bradley Anne Margaret, that would be a pretty badass name. Kind of got a nice ring to it, doesn't it? And then we could call you Bam. Also with us is an annoying chirping noise, but it's not a cricket. It's coming from Bradley Anne Margaret. Bam! Thank you. Thank you so much for that introduction. It only took 10 minutes, but we are ready for a great episode. Thanks, Curtis. You got a stage name, brother. This works. We've talked about this a lot. I'm due for a rebrand. Like, I think we all agree to that. Bradley Anne Margaret just works in a way that I can't, I'm not comfortable with, to be honest with you. And then my nickname, they can just call me Bam. Bam, it works. Yeah. And you got that in your face kind of, you know, Be More trash, you know? It really fits. Bam from Be More? Oh, Curt. We got a thing going here now. Before we get into this episode, there is something I want to share with you, which is that we were at the grocery store the other day, and I figured, you know what? I'm here. Why wouldn't I do it? So I bought myself a bag of marshmallows. Oh, this is exciting. In this episode, we're going to get to it, but the claim was that somebody stuck 27 marshmallows in their mouth at once. Yes. We're going to see Marty and Fraser both attempting it, and I was trying to figure out, 27 seemed like crazy. Seems like a shock in the mouth. So it was like, maybe he meant like mini marshmallows or something? Well, no, it's a game. You know that? It's called Fluffy Bunny. What? That's the name of the game. It's called Fluffy Bunny. I thought you said, fuck your bunny. I was like, gee, what? No, Fluffy Bunny. You're supposed to put the marshmallow in your mouth and say Fluffy Bunny. And the guy put 27 in his mouth and said Fluffy Bunny. Okay. Really stupid game, but aren't. Then they showed it's like standard marshmallow sizes they were using, and so I tried. Yeah, they really did. Oh, before you tell us how that went, you know it's shockingly dangerous to do that, right? Yes, it is. Like a lot of people actually die from that. I can share a little about that in a moment. But first, what are your guesses? What would you think I was able to do? Look, Curtis, I've seen your mouth before. So with that information, I'm going to go with 12. We haven't described Curt enough for the listening audience. Curt is awkwardly long. Yes. So I think you probably have a surprisingly big mouth. I would never call Curtis tall, just long. Yeah, he's not tall. He's long. That's accurate. Yeah. I'm not going to dispute that. He does not fill a room, but he is long. I don't think you're going to be at the top of the charts. I think you're going to realize imminent death when you cross like the 20 threshold. But I think you're going to hit like 18, no problem. Wow. You have way more faith in him than I do. I think you're going to hit 19, and then you were going to probably panic for your life. Okay. Let me start by saying it is possible that the way marshmallows sort of dissolve, like maybe, maybe there's a world where if you take long enough to do it, you could, you could really make it happen to get to 26. I got to three and was starting to get worried. I was like, this is, this is a lot. And then I think at my max, I got, well, I know at my max, because I had my husband sitting next to me. He was counting. I have a little clicky thing that like one of those things that like people keeping track of how many people do you like click. Of course he does. I have one of those. Of course he does. So I had him clicking and keeping track. I don't think he needed it because I only got as far as eight. What'd you say, Brad? Oh, I said, I said 12. Oh, wow. We both way undershot. Yeah. Overshot. You overshot. I only got to eight. Yeah, you overshot. No, no. Curt undershot our guesses. He didn't live up to what we expected out of him. Got a weird way to say it, but okay. I get what you're saying now, sir. All right, Curt, why do you have a clicky thing? It's actually a really boring story. You say that, but you don't know what normal is. So who knows? I was struggling to do well at my job and I found keeping track of how much work I got through in a day. So every time I finished like an email, I would click. You are a fucking psychopath. That's not boring. That's insane. That is insane. At that rate, Curt, why don't you just get a shot caller and just shock yourself every time you do work? Yeah, don't joke. What do you? No, wait a minute. Wait a minute. No, not wait a minute. No, you're the crazy one here. Don't focus on what Brad just said. You're the crazy one. What was a good amount of clicks in a day for old Kurti Curt? At the time, I think it was like somewhere in the ballpark of 150. Great. To beat your record, did you like stop taking like bathroom breaks and lunch breaks just so you can get more clicks in a day? I take a shocking amount of bathroom breaks in a day and I'm not capable of holding it. So no, but I did. I did compete with myself. I did try to like push the envelope. I did. And when we talk about classic Curtis stories, this is a classic Curtis story. This is so Curt. Yes. I still don't really understand why. And did you also track it on a spreadsheet? Because that would put it over the top. That would be true Curt. Right. Don't be fucking ridiculous. Of course I tracked it on a spreadsheet. Oh, this is classic Curtis. Why did you stop doing this? Yeah. Why did you exit your ultimate forum? When I said I did it after every email, that was because the whole job was customer service. I was replying to emails. That was like a unit of work was an email. This was a long time ago because you did that a long time ago. This was a long time ago. Yeah. So this was a long time ago. And when I left that role and stopped doing something so banal, I basically stopped counting. Wait, wait. So you only stopped when your job changed. Yeah. I guess we can leave it at that. Is there a good reason? What could you possibly say that would be like, oh, okay, you're normal now? Because it was a boring job. So I was bored. Like I wasn't always that focused on the job. And so I was making dumb mistakes. And so I thought it would be helpful to know like how much work do I get through in a day? So like if I have a day where I'm doing much less than that, maybe I'm like really not paying attention. I should get my ass in gear. So that was sort of the idea. Yeah. Create a little clicky, clicky admin to liven up the day. We understand. Yeah. We should. We should just go with he's a crazy person. Psychopath. I was bored of work. So I thought a thing to count stuff. It absolutely worked. I still have a career because I did that. I'm convinced. We're thrilled for you. Can we talk about Frasier plays? Let's do it. All right. Let's get into the episode. We open with a lightning strike over Seattle. And we get a title card. Recipe for disaster. Back from an unsuccessful hunting trip, Marty unwittingly brings back a cricket. Niall's patient has a crush on him, which Daphne learns when she accidentally sees the file. It's a weird start to it. Like the first thing I jumped on was the fact that Marty had to go see Nicholas Nickleby. Yes. Nicholas Nickleby. I tried to look it up and it was so the description was so boring. Marty was totally justified. I assume they didn't go see the movie. But the guy from Sons of Anarchy, you know, he tutors people. He was rich and then he wasn't like that's the story. It sounds super boring. I'm gripped. What else happens? I felt like God, halfway through the synopsis was like nothing is happening in the like the Wikipedia article. What is I'm never watching this movie. Although he does look kind of like Willy Wonka. So that's fun. We talk about when Frasier enters and he says he went bickle backing. No, that's not what he said. Bickle backing. He was accusing Marty of bivouacking. I don't hear a difference. Vivouacking. I don't know. I don't remember any of this. Did I watch the right episode? So Marty is just coming from a hunt where he failed. Right. Yes. He does a terrible job because he's shitty and old. You know, standard Marty stuff. And he just drops all his stuff at the door. And Frasier comes in and then like it's kind of stumbles over his stuff. And he goes, what have I told you about bivouacking in the entryway? It's French. And it means setting up a temporary shelter that is not a tent. So there you go. But I will give you a chance to spell it, Brad. V. I. Yeah. V. Nice. I. No. Okay. Well, that was fun. You're doing good though. Because I did not have biv as the start of it. Even with that, I didn't know how to spell it. And I just, I got the did you mean on Google. It says, did you mean vivisecting? No, not that. It's a fuckload of vowels. So just do B-I-V and then just type a bunch of vowels and you'll get there. Meh. Then we learned about the cricket. How do you feel about crickets? I wouldn't want one in the house. You can feel Frasier's pain there where you're just like, oh, there's a cricket in the house. This will be a little bit annoying. And you know, it transgresses as I think it might actually do in real life. Crickets outside of the home, plenty fine with them. Yeah. I was sitting here thinking, did I have this exact situation? I kind of have a weird sense memory of having a cricket in my house. I think maybe I just have seen this episode. You're remembering when you were 12 and you watched this. Yeah. I think so. Did you resolve it with a lizard? No. Although I will say in that same era of work when I was counting all of my emails, there was kind of a walking path outside of the building and I would go on walks on breaks. And one day I came back and it was kind of a grassy area. So I came back in and kind of had an itchiness on my ankle. So I went to scratch and realized there was a cricket that had gotten under my pants, like inside my pant leg. Ew. It was horrifying. Yeah. Wow, Curtis. How did you not notice that? I don't know. It was really upsetting. This is a Curtis-centric episode tonight, apparently. We're going off the top rope. Yeah. Let's hear what other stories we're going to hear about Curtis throughout the night. I thought this was all going to be about Brad and colors because this is where we get introduced to burnt sienna. Good segue, Ryan. Did you feel like that was burnt sienna? Like, would you have got confused or you think you would have picked the right one? Who are you asking? Because obviously I don't know what burnt sienna is. Let's start with Curtis and hear his ridiculous story of having to get something in burnt sienna. I'm like burnt sienna in my pants. Burnt sienna, I picture being sort of a reddish hue, but I don't really know. I'm Googling it now. Why do you picture that? Because of the burnt? Yeah. Is sienna or burnt doing the heavy lifting? I'm going to be honest with you. I've Googled burnt sienna. There's like a very light version and a darker version, but both of them are pretty much exactly what I was picturing. So spot on Curtis. Right. One click for Curtis. My bigger question is, so Niles makes a big deal later about how violated it is that she would, you know, go through his patience folder. Literally, he would lose his job over this. And my question is, why is he carrying patience files home and then telling somebody to go through that bag? Like, this is on you, Niles. Can he lose his job because of this? That does beg the question. Is he doing something improper? Because your question of should they go rooting through it? Certainly not. And especially not if it's different shades of brown. Obviously, that's fucked. But if he could lose his job over it, you kind of have to assume he shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, I don't know what the loss is exactly, but I would imagine that you could foresee if this really went sideways and maybe somebody who really shouldn't have seen it saw it, Omin, it somehow got out. I could see that being like a mishandling of documents issue. Maybe. I don't know. I assume he has it because he ponders it late at night over Sherry. What an intriguing idea. I assume. You know, some of these problems, they cannot be solved in the room, you know? Yeah. Frazier is sleep deprived because of the cricket. Daphne surreptitiously asks about transference and Roz eggs Daphne on. You think psychiatrists really never tell their significant others anything? I know there's confidentiality, but I'd assume that doesn't extend to your immediate lump one. My guess is they tell stories without telling names. I'll tell you this. If anyone, if I give therapy to anyone, and I'm not qualified, but if anyone comes to me for it anyway, I am telling whoever I feel like. But I'm certainly telling my wife. Should we start a new podcast called HIPAA violation where people call in and just tell us medical stories? Yes. Oh my God. Yes. Probably already exists. So Ryan, when you heard Nervosa berry, what were you hoping? What did I hear? What was that, Bradley? Nervosa. No. I'm sorry. What did I hear? I can't. Oh, Redux. Here we go. Here we go. Nervosa berry. That wasn't too bad. Wow. Yes. When I've heard Nervosa berry. So Ryan, what did you think it was going to be? A one-off joke. That's what I heard. That they talked about in the whole scene multiple times. It'd be still a one-off joke though. I'd be very shocked if that ever comes up again. Well, I do not think it was going to be a banana was my whole point of this. Oh, that's true. That is confusing. Yes. That was the whole point. That a banana could ever resemble any kind of berry is just bananas to me. Didn't even mean to say bananas there. Nice, Curt. Nice. Ha. Ha. I, yeah. I mean, bananas do weird stuff as they get older. We all know that. It turns into banana bread. But it is. It seems like a very specific taste. I don't know. Doesn't really make any sense. You could also just use day-old berries. That still seems fine. I'm sorry. What is a day-old berry? What are you talking about? It's not what the whole thing was. It was yesterday's bananas. He's saying it could be yesterday's berries. Oh, I see. Like the blueberry muffin could now be the Nervosa berry muffin. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But we never, you know, we never got 100% confirmation it was bananas. It could be that Frasier's just insane. No, because Roz also says it and she's not insane. Well. Well, no. Well. Well, okay. Hold on. She says it as a manipulative move to get rid of Frasier because she wanted a private conversation with Daphne. Oh, is that what you got from that? Correct. Yes. She, she, because you can see in her eyes, like when, when Frasier is just obliviously describing transference and not like getting that Daphne is asking for a reason. Roz is making eyes like, I know what's going down and I want to hear the dish. So she, she sends Frasier away in, in calling it banana. I was focused on the Nervosa berry. I did not, I missed all of that. I was very focused on the muffin. Roz took that time to kind of amp up Daphne. Like she, she really amped up Daphne with this conspiracy theory. Roz is crazy this episode. Before we get into that side of the scene, I have a couple questions. Well, first of all, so it was a scone. It was not a muffin. And while Frasier's behavior, like following employees into the back room is absolutely insane. I'm going to posit that this is actually justified because a scone is the driest, worst pastry of all time. It's terrible. They have no value. And that's when they're fresh. So a day old, you should be paid if you're eating that. Like they should pay you to eat that. Listen, I've gone on record. I'm going to go on record again. Scones in general are horrible. I've had two scones in my life that are just world changing. Maybe this is the best pastry I've ever had. It's very confusing, but it's only twice. One of them was in a hotel free breakfast. It was very confusing. Was this a high end hotel or was this like a holiday inn? It was like the only hotel in Erie, PA. That sounds about right. It was fine. It was a fine hotel. It's not where you're expecting like an incredible scone experience. It was really confusing. I went back for a second scone. And I do have one other question. Ryan, Roz wins the argument with Frasier because she points out that she has a three year old and therefore has not gotten any sleep. He's complaining about a cricket noise. I wanted to know how badly he related to Roz in a scene. Dramatically so. Yes. Yes. Frasier does not wish he had a three year old so he could win every argument. There's especially at three. Oh, my God. Absolutely. We're still in the throes of lack of sleep. She's not three anymore. She's now sleep sometimes. And it's still not a lot. All I know is anytime the Steelers lose, you somehow blame that on your three year old. You do. What? She didn't cheer hard enough. Wow. This is where Frasier goes and assaults an employee at Cafe Nervosa. Correct. Yes. And at the same time, Roz is really amping up Daphne. Both. Roz and Frasier are the craziest I think we've ever seen either of them. Yeah. A hundred percent. I feel like Roz a hundred percent knew what she was doing to really amp up Daphne. And then throughout the episode. Why was she so involved immediately? I think because she was having fun. I think she was messing with her. Is that what we're supposed to take from this? I thought she was like really getting into the drama of it. She's like, yeah, he's not cheating. I think it was the whole point of the scene. Like Curtis was saying, she really just wanted to mess with everyone. I was like, oh, Roz doesn't have Roger. She's just bored. But then we get a Roger reference later. So it's like, why are you doing this? You're in the throes of early love. Wait, wait, what do you, what? We don't get a Roger reference. Yeah, we do. We get one later. But Roger was already introduced, wasn't he? No, we don't already. I don't know what you're talking about. Roz. Yeah, we'll talk about in the later scene. He comes up. He gets mentioned. He gets name dropped. Oh, you guys missed some of the sweet. You missed some of the tea that was spilled. Okay. Completely thrown by that. I was too. I was like, oh yeah, Roz is bored. She needs something to do. She's messing with Daphne. And then she's like, oh, but I'm hooking up with this guy. Roger's like, what the hell? I'll tell you what. I'm on the transcript and I searched for the name Roger and it is not popping up. Yeah, I'm not sure what you're referring to. There's two spellings of Roger. What's the other spelling? With a D. What? No, there is no Roger with a D. There is. Aaron Rodgers. That's a last name. I assume that came from the first name. Oh, goodness. Can we move on from this thrilling conversation? I assume that the last name was like there was a couple of Rogers with Ds lying around. And they're like, all right, that's a last name now. I don't know how last names work. I think there's two ways to take it. One is what we already discussed, which is that she's just bored and enjoying messing with people. I think the other possibility is that we're going to find maybe in the next season, season eight, maybe she had some other sort of lover who cheated on her or like maybe she's got some past experience where she's sort of projecting onto Daphne all this. We have to go find the other woman stuff because she's had a bad experience in the past. That's true. We're definitely in the season eight zone now. So if there's a Heather that screws something up for us at the end of season eight, that would track. We get a title card. Clash of the Titans. Frazier blames Marty for the pest and tasks him with getting rid of it. As soon as we're like, okay, Frazier is going to be the person solving the cricket issue. I'm like, this is great. This is exactly what I want. I want Frazier to fail at catching bugs every episode. My favorite is how he refused to concede defeat to the cricket. Like he was really in a fight with the cricket. It's one of the many reasons you want Frazier on the case because you know he's incompetent and you know he won't quit. And he takes everything so dramatically like it's life or death, which is amazing. I think this one's justified though. Like if a cricket kept you up and it would, especially with an apartment. I don't know how it's like piercing the walls because they're soundproof. But like in a normal living situation, if a cricket was in your house, it would drive you crazy. I feel like if you had, say, lived out in the country or something and you had like a sea of crickets like at night making cricket noises and it became kind of a white noise, I feel like that would be possibly even soothing to fall asleep to. But a single lone cricket just chirping, absolutely drive you mad. How'd you feel about Frazier's babbling brook line where he's like, I love a babbling brook in the countryside, but I would not walk one through my house. I feel like I would walk one through my house. I would love one through my house. That would be amazing. Really? Intentionally. If you woke up and a babbling brook was coming through your house unexpectedly, yeah, that would be bad. But if you're like designed it. So you want to live it falling water. Yeah, hell yeah. This won't surprise either of you because you've known me for a billion years. I love noise. I like to sleep with lots of noise, lots of like energy. Like I like craziness. You like to sleep with lots of energy? Yeah, what do you mean? What are you talking about? I leave my window open because I like to hear like cars going and stuff like that. Like I like the energy of the world. That's normal Brad weird, but it is weird. Yeah. If I was sleeping and someone was screaming at me the whole time, I would fall right to sleep. Okay. I think that's true. Yeah. I think we can move on. Daphne probes Niles unsuccessfully for more info. When he takes a call from a patient, she snoops through his file. This is the new room. Is this the first time we've seen Niles' room? I don't know that it's even Niles' room. That's how I knew it is. Yeah, I also presumed it was Niles' room and not Daphne's room, but yeah, I'm not sure we can be sure. I wrote it as probably Niles' room, but like we technically don't know. It really fits with more of Niles' apartment aesthetic. It's a bizarre bedroom, right? Like it's very strange. Like he's done this thing, which I've never seen in any bedroom. Because you know, typically you keep your bed in the center of the room. He pushes all the way against a wall. Awful. It's not even the centerpiece at that point. Yeah. Baffling. It was a little like hotel-y though. But that didn't surprise me because I feel like Niles would mimic his room after like a hotel, like an obstacle hotel. Like that's how he would set up his room. Yeah, probably. When she does ask Niles about his day and he talks about the most boring things ever besides work, he's talking about everything but work. I actually really enjoyed that. Yeah, I thought that was a funny bit. Yeah. You're right, that was fun. Did you think that he really had nothing to say or do you think he was being evasive because he just knows he can't talk about work? So he's just trying to find anything else to say. That's, I took it more in the latter. Like he refuses to talk about work. So when she asked about his day, he took it as everything else he did that day. I think he's also cottoned on to her. Like this just happened. She just saw this file. He knows she's fishing. Yeah, for sure. I thought he really did like sharing that, those bits of his day. I think both can be true. A hundred percent. Like, yeah, he's obviously not going to talk about his patients. He's made that clear. I think in his mind, he's already made that clear. I don't think he's being purposely evasive. Okay. See, I wanted to ask you guys, I thought this was very unusual for Frasier. They have this weird daydreaming sequence where she's got Mary Hart on E.T. talking directly to Daphne. She's like seeing things written down that aren't written down. Like, what does she make of this? It seemed very like whimsical for a show that's not so whimsical, if that makes any sense. We don't normally get Daphne's perspective on things, though. I thought that was a pretty fun way to tell it, right? Do you think that's how she lives life? Like a crazy person? Yeah. I think if she was the main character of this show and every episode was a series of her going through life, having like a devil and an angel on her shoulder, but it's just like magazine covers and people on TV talking directly to her, I think that would be a good show. I have to admit I'm intrigued. Is this a trick? Is this going to turn out badly for me somehow? Ask the monkey. I would watch it. Yeah, I thought it was a very like Scrubs-y move, right? Like if we followed Daphne around, you'd kind of have a little bit more of a Scrubs vibe because that's who she is. But I think to Curtis's point, it is unusual for the show. I'm not saying it didn't work. It was unusual for the show. Yeah, of course. Of course it was unusual. It was a lot like the season 10 episode where we see, you know, Niles in a fugue state, right? Right. It was fun. I don't know. I thought it painted a really nice picture of how Daphne's gotten completely mad. Did you guys recognize right away that it was a real like TV personality that was talking, like a guest star situation? Or did you think it was just like a random actress? I still think it's a random actress. I don't know what you're talking about. It's Mary Hart. I don't know who that is. So I still think that. Entertainment Tonight. Oh, that cleared it up. Yeah. Is that from the E! Network? Is that still a thing? I'm pretty sure Entertainment Tonight was just a show. Yes. It was just one single show that eventually the E! Network was like, what if this show was a network? It's still on Entertainment Tonight. Okay. Never watched it. Sorry. I mean, you're not really missing out. I mean, it just talks about celebrity gossip. Like I've been on there a couple of times because I'm borderline celebrity, you know. You're borderline. I'll give you the hat. Yeah. It's when I was dating Slinger Gomez. Marty brings home a gecko to catch the cricket. I'm glad you transitioned. I just finished Only Murders today. We just watched season four's last episode. Great. Well, why don't you let Curtis finish transitioning? That was it. That did not come out how I wanted it to. Yeah. Well, you finished transitioning, Curt. We're talking about Frasier. Yeah. We really want to see the real you. Can you finish transitioning? Marty brings home a gecko to catch the cricket. End of summary. You know, I thought we were doing the little lady who swallowed the fly thing. And that isn't the route we ended up going down. We ended up going down the old fishing line route. At the start of it, I thought it was a really fun premise. I was like, yeah, let's see how weird we get. The real did it pretty quick. They didn't have fishing lines, so they had to use cinnamon waxed dental floss. Which, Ryan, have you ever used cinnamon waxed dental floss? Absolutely repulsive. I hate cinnamon flavor. Yeah. Almost unilaterally. I like cinnamon, cinnamon sticks, but anytime that you're like, let me get something in a red container that's cinnamon flavored or fireball, awful. I actually like cinnamon flavored food and drinks. I liked fireball. It's worse than mint, which is another garbage flavor. But I also don't like the idea of flavored dental floss of any flavor. I mean, mint's okay. Mint, which is another garbage flavor. Because it's just like toothpaste. I just like regular old-fashioned dental floss. I'm old-fashioned. I'm a partisan for the Gillette Glide. Do you think razor through your teeth? Oh. That would be crazy. It's Oral-B. Sorry. Oral-B Clyde. That's not even close. Lots of the same. Sometimes my husband will buy floss. I think he's face blind, but for floss, he just doesn't know that there are different types of floss. Hold up. You buy floss. I don't think I've ever bought floss. You get one from the dentist every time. Why would you buy floss? I sometimes ask for a second one. I've never used one up. What? I only ever get the little tiny one. What do you mean tiny one? I was going to say, it's not tiny. It's normal. It's like a year's supply of floss. What are you talking about? I'm baffled by this. I'm baffled by this. How often, Ryan, how often do you go to the dentist? Curtis, how often do you go to the dentist? To be fair, I go every six months. But the last time I went to the dentist, I was like, your mouth's a little gross. Maybe come every four months. Yeah. Well, maybe it's because you don't floss every day or whatever. I do use floss picks, but there's no way you're running out of the sample they give you. I used to go every six months. And the reason why I start going more is because I found out my insurance covers up to four cleanings a year. So now I go three or four times. Exactly. Yeah. I'd go once a quarter. I was just like, oh, I might as well. I think we go through floss quickly. I don't know. I think you're using floss real crazy. Ryan, I never remember throwing away a thing of floss. Ever. Yeah. They just kind of disappear. If it's ever rolled out of the tube, it's because I was using it for a non-floss purpose. Yes. Or I wasn't paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. And you flossed once a day or every day? With the floss picks, I'll do twice a day. But yeah. No, I'm not going to. What are you, my dentist? Yeah, sure. Of course I do it every day. And I only drink once a week, doctor. We get a title card. Which floor is the other woman? Department. Daphne and Roz go to the patient's office to snoop. Roz is all bluster and confidence until confronted by the woman in the flesh. This is where I'm not sure it's a boredom thing. Like, Roz goes so hard here. And like, it just goes super crazy. Because it's fun. She's having fun. I think she's having fun. She doesn't stay with it. As soon as they get busted, she sprints out of there. And ask to like yell at Daphne to like get the picture. Like, we're running now. At least get the coffee first. I did like her line that lying is all about confidence. I did like that one. And then she says how she lied to Frazier and said she's getting coffee. Which again, she didn't even get. Yeah, which she could have. She didn't have to lie. You know, it's funny you say that because when Daphne asked her why'd you ask for the coffee, I thought she was going to say to bring it to Frazier. Like, that would have been funny to kind of wrap around the joke. I think it would have been easy to do, right? But they don't go that route. Yeah. Okay, what's the worst that happens, right? It's not like you're going to get arrested because you went into an office someone told you you could go into. Like, why sprint out of there? Have fun with it. I think the fear is not that they're going to be like arrested, but that they're going to reveal who Daphne is. Like, they do not want this woman knowing that her psychiatrist's girlfriend came to her office. This is not what I think. I think Roz just feels like she got caught. And so she, like a child, sprints out of there. I don't think she gives a crap about Daphne and whether or not it gets revealed and then Niles has his license barred. I don't think she cares one iota about that because why would she? Yeah, okay, I'm won over by that. If you're having fun pretending, like, at this point the jig is up, like, it's pretty clear they're calling security, like. You could throw at least one more out there. And she doesn't even throw a softball out there. She doesn't try anything. She's just like, we're running. I think when she just ran out of ideas, she just bailed. Well, that is definitely what happened. This is where we find out that Roger's still in play. So can you look that up in the script, please? Because of this scene. I have been pouring over this, trying to find any reference. I guess I got to pull up the scripts, I guess. I thought maybe that Roz made some reference to some other past boyfriend to relate to Daphne and maybe you misheard and thought she said Roger. Like, I thought maybe that was what was happening. But no, that's not it. Like, she makes no references to anybody named Roger. She doesn't even come close. They really, they don't say anything about Roger at all. No. They're not even close. Oh, that's disappointing. Fraser and Marty are hunting in the kitchen. Once the cricket is caught, they decide it will be more fun to keep the hunt going. I enjoyed the little exchange of the most dangerous part of the gecko is its mind. And then Fraser proceeds to talk about the size of a gecko's mind. And then Marty says, yeah, but a cricket's mind is only this big. It's good stuff. Wasn't the worst look for Marty, you know? He's still a mess this episode, but there's a lot of fun bits, including this scene, I think. I think there's something kind of nice about this storyline. Like, I don't think we ever get to see a story where, even though it starts with sort of a conflict, Fraser's annoyed at him for bringing the cricket. They spend most of this episode just being, like, sort of on a little side adventure and kind of having fun with each other. It's kind of nice. It was, like, a very nice father and, like, childhood son moment, in a way. Like, it was very good. I agree. You never see Fraser this whimsical. Yeah. This silly. Well, he's gone mad from a cricket, though, to be fair. He's in an altered state. The only thing I didn't buy, you're telling me Marty knows the bookstore clerk's name? I'm not buying that. If she's hot, he would. I don't believe he's going to the bookstore with Fraser or Niles. What's he going to do with a book? They're in seemingly downtown Seattle. I don't think he lives that close to, like, a mall. But I think he does his own version of mall walking, where he just kind of wanders. Because he's so retired. What else is he? He doesn't walk with his dog. And I think he pops into random shops. And he just, like, sees a cute face in the bookstore and decides to go in. Okay. Maybe that's the route there. But it feels tenuous at best. Were you surprised this worked, by the way? Because I was shocked both that they caught the cricket doing this and that the floss fully worked as a harness. Like, they reel that thing back in. Oh, I thought you were saying the plot. Curtis, to your point, I thought they were going to end the scene with us hearing the cricket. And we're going to find out it didn't work. Yeah. I am surprised it worked. Yes. I like that it just did, though, right? Yeah. I think, like you said, this really did. This was sentimental-ish and nice-ish. And it was a refresher from the normal bits we get from Frasier. I bet there was a draft of this where it ends with the cricket going off. You're right. This was definitely a rewrite. And I think they did well. Dental floss wouldn't work, though, right? It doesn't make any sense. I think it depends on the floss. If it's got wax stuff, no way. You can't tie a knot with wax. I think it's the cinnamon that really doesn't. Oh, do you think it, like, sedates the cricket? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Okay. I wasn't going to bring this up because I thought it was stupid, but we brought up the cinnamon again. I feel like with most insects, they always say, like, cinnamon and mint, like, peppermint. Like, these are flavors that repel bugs. I felt like, in some ways, this seemed like a really bad strategy to me, to put up mint flavored- I've never heard that or thought about that. It's one of those, like, home remedies, they say. Got it. It's definitely, yeah. Cinnamon comes up a lot. You got peppermint comes up a lot. But, you know, basically stuff you'd put in your mouth to clean it, bugs hate. I gotta tell you, though, those strategies may have middling success. Chemical warfare is still the way to go. Get yourself some poison. There you go, bud. The real carrot comes out. We had ants, and I bought one of them ant traps, and it solved it right away. Oh, yeah. Yeah, a little bit of boric acid, you'll be fine. Daphne confesses to Niles, and he is furious. Yet, it is he who ends up consoling her when she reveals her insecurity stems from having been the other woman when Niles was with Maris and Mel. Yeah, this ended up being quite a revealing look into their pre-relationship. It was a little surprising. I didn't think we were going to get that here. You know, I feel like these insights for you, Ryan, come at the most random times and are very always unexpected. This one's really confusing, because I thought I had Maris in sort of the season eight zone, but I think Mel should come between Maris and Daphne, because I feel like, like, last episode, I think we did a flashback with Maris at basically the start of the series. So Mel should be coming up, like, real quick. I was going to ask, yeah, do you have any sense of the timeline? What's the countdown on Daphne and Niles no longer being together? Because this does feel very much like a, they're somewhat new kind of a conversation. Definitely. And Mel and her got married, which is really confusing. I don't think we knew that, or I forgot it, certainly. Again, I think that's got to be, that's got to be bits of season seven at the latest. I think season eight. I think we're going to get some of that next season. So I don't know when Daphne and him are getting together. It's crazy. It could be next episode. It could be this two-parter we got coming up. We're about to enter the premiere of this season. Like, that's, that's on the table. It would kind of make sense. It's clear she's going to be fairly insignificant, which I think means just the whole season we meet her and end her. End her? Yeah, I did say that like it was going to involve killing. And with Maris' seedy past, it's in play. Or seedy future, I should say. It's the worst podcast ever. Daphne's hesitation very clearly very justified. And I don't think not stood that much to a suader. When he was trying to reassure her, I kind of thought the way he was about to go was to say like, when I was with Maris, I always was thinking about you. And when I was with Mel, I was thinking about you. So like the through line is you. But he kind of just ended with, it's not going to change. He said, now that I'm with you, I think about you. Well, he did. Yeah. But the button on it of like, it's not, it's never going to change. I don't know. I don't think that was as compelling as just the idea that the person I think about is still you. Like, I don't know. I feel like it was unnecessary to say it's not going to change because I think that was like, you don't know that. You can't prove that. Like, the part that's compelling is the part about you're always thinking about her. Right. I don't think that that should change, right? If you're like, oh, I was married to two other people and I was thinking about another woman. Like, all right, this, I, we're not in a married state. So this is, there's no reason why I should be like, okay, now you're definitely thinking about me. Yeah. I have one weird editing thing about this. When Daphne first confesses. You read her file. I know, I know, it's bad. That is the worst thing you could have done. You would think so. What else did you do? I went down to her office to see what she looks like. I felt like they used the laugh track really aggressively here. And I don't think it was necessary to have that much laughter in between that little bit. It felt a little weird to me. Frazier plays us out with Marty and Fraj hunting and stuffing marshmallows in their mouth. Eddie has eaten the gecko. Other than once again being shockingly dangerous to do this, do not try this at home. Can't say this enough. Kills way too many people. I just want to really highlight that. I got nervous attempting this. Like, I, I felt like by forcing more in, I was pushing what was already in my mouth towards the back of my throat. And I thought for sure, if I overdo this, that can get lodged in my throat. And I won't be able to get any of this out of my mouth because it'll be so packed in. It is absolutely dangerous. It was foolish to try. And I regret doing it. Do not do this. But a good tossed salad and scrambled eggs. A good tossed salad and scrambled eggs. 100%. What do you have for lunch? Well, tossed salad, scrambled eggs, and marshmallows. Yeah. And a deadly amount of marshmallow. Well, Brad, how'd you feel about this one? As we all know, I've watched every episode. I forgot about this one. This was not a memorable episode for me. There's like, I do like the Marty and Niles part. I think that the, the batshit crazy Roz is entertaining, but a little much. I'm going to mid-range it to me. This is, this is a B minus. It's nothing great. Nothing like terrible. But it's, it's, it's just kind of there. Curtis, what do you think? I think that I lock in my rating immediately after watching the episode. And I'm not always in the right headspace. I think what you said makes sense. Like this, this feels discussing it. Like this is a mid, mid-range episode. I ranked this 17 out of 80. Oh my God, Curtis. The recent ratings you've been given this tracks. I thought this was better than Farewell Nervosa with Breeze. And not as good as Frasier Light with the weight loss challenge. I don't think it's a bad episode. Like I don't hate that ranking because it is kind of still in the middle. And we've discussed like the middle is very squishy, but it does feel a little high to be honest. Ryan, where do you land? I just agree. I really liked this episode. I think there was, there was no flaws in at all. It's not a big build episode, which you know, I like, and that's, that's probably its biggest knock. But I thought this flowed great. I thought everyone was firing on all cylinders. There was some weird plots that moved Roz and Frasier to be hyper crazy. Obviously Daphne to be crazy, which we don't always get. Like I really, I really liked it. I gave it a 7, 8. And I think that's probably a fairly true rating. High, high end for me, especially this season. It's definitely not a top 10. I think 17 is probably right on the money though. Okay, cool. Marty employs a carnivorous gecko to eat an herbivorous cricket. But what will we turn to when we face off against meat eating animals? Even though he's not with Dateline NBC, Ryan will present another edition of To Catch a Literal Predator. Yes, Curt. Thank you. Okay. So, as you explained, I will be releasing a critter and it'll be up to the two of you to help catch this predator by any means necessary. And we're working together on this. I don't care. Here's what does matter. Just to make sure this is a little inaccessible to the listening audience. We're going to make this a soft lore situation. So, I'm going to release the critter. You can assume whatever you want until it's said otherwise. Once we've specified, then you have to go with whatever we agree to. You can ask questions and we can decide that way. Or you can make statements. That is fine. We will go with them as long as they don't contradict the past. Only thing that does matter is you don't get to say the results. So, if I released a cricket and you were like, oh, I got a gecko and tied him to a dental floss and then killed the cricket, that doesn't work. But you can definitely tie a gecko to dental floss. That's on the top. Do you have like a 12-sided die over there? I feel like this is very D&D the way you've structured this. It's going to be a little D&D. I don't have the die. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm very excited. Let's fire this bad boy off. I'm going to release one of my least favorite critters in all the world. It's up to you two to catch a mouse. Okay. And you're saying we're not limited to the world of finding other animals. We can do literally anything. Yes. I mean, there's the easy way. We can do something with mousetraps. Oh, sorry. I left that rule off the table. You're not allowed to use a pre-created kill device for the target animal. Got it. Peanut butter is a known foodstuff that they seem to love. Not cheese, it turns out. It's peanut butter. What if we peanut butter, like, just spread it on the floor? I think we need something else with the peanut butter to really lure them in. I think peanut butter is a good start, but we need something, like, out of the box. Something that's going to, like, bring them in. So, famously, mice love cheese. I know we just said they don't, but shut up. Famously, mice love cheese. We all know that the moon is made of cheese. But what if it were made of barbecue spare ribs? Would you eat it then? What if we get, like, a picture of the moon in a cage? Wait, can we use a cage or is it a cage off limit? You can use a cage, sure. Are we allowed to show a movie, Ryan? Of course. Great. Because my thinking is, what if we had the movie Mousetrap on the TV and the mice came out because they were attracted to the mice on the TV? Great question. Is that a movie? Mousetrap? Yeah. It's with Nathan Lane. I think you're thinking of a board game. Are you talking about a birdcage? No, no, no, no. What's the mouse movie with Nathan Lane? Nothing? Mouse Hunt. I think we should hire a hawk. Okay. You can definitely hire a hawk. That is in play. And this is inside, right? We're catching a mouse inside. We haven't established that. If you'd like to... I will say it'll be inside. I was going to say, if it was outside, who would care? Interesting question. I'm sure there's a place where you would care. Like a restaurant. Curtis, a restaurant is still inside. Typically. I wasn't listening to what you were saying. I bet you're just saying someplace I've been in a house. Okay. It sounds like we've decided it's in a restaurant. We got like a little Ratatouille situation. That's exciting. Oh my gosh. That's it. We just replace all these chef hats with like a transparent chef hat so we can tell who's Ratatouille-ing. Oh, okay. That works. Follow up question. What do you mean transparent chef hats? I mean a hairnet. Oh. But more like a shower cap than like the mesh version. Okay. So you've adorned all of the chefs with John's parents shower caps? Yeah. And now if there's a mouse, we're going to find him. Well, that didn't work. There's still a mouse, obviously. Are we supposed to keep going? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You didn't solve the mouse problem. You just changed everyone's hats. Keep going. John's trying to catch his mouse. I think if we want to get really strategic, we've got to get a gila monster. A what? A gila monster. A what? It sounds Jewish. It does sound Jewish. Yeah. Is it Nahava la gila? Oh, maybe that's what we do. I put out some bad kosher food that no one else will eat and to try some matzah. Whoa. Why are you attacking matzah? What do you? What? You're the only person in the world that actually enjoys matzah. You don't like matzah? Ryan, I've been eating it. I've been eating it six days straight. That's pretty much all I've been eating it. I've been eating matzah with cream cheese, matzah with butter, matzah with white fish, matzah with tuna fish, matzah with jelly, matzah with jam. I love matzah with jelly, though. Okay, I see you left out some old food. Cool. We left out some old Jewish food. It's got to be Jewish. Is the mouse Jewish or not? Do we know? The mouse is not Jewish, but he keeps kosher. Okay, here's what I think we should do. We take the matzah and we build a little makeshift home out of it. Oh, yeah. Like a house of cards, but with matzah. Now I like where we're going with this. It's very easy to build. Matzah's very good building material. We can use some cream cheese as the glue. It's not just regular cream cheese you use on matzah. It's whipped cream cheese. Back off. There is no other version of cream cheese worth considering for any. For structural integrity, you want the concrete stuff. Definitely for your base. Yeah. As you get to like the fluffy stuff up top. Yeah, whipped for sure. So anyway, we build a little house. We should also back up a second. Curtis never explained what the thing that he was talking about is. What do you mean? Oh, the gila monster? Yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. I got lost. It's a venomous lizard native to the southwestern United States. Okay. That sounds good. You just sort of do a fancy version of what Fraser did. Yeah, I didn't press it because I realized I was being derivative. So instead I built a gingerbread house out of matzah. Great. Did you introduce the gila monster or not? No, we decided not to go in that route. Well, I did mention it, which means that it's here, but he's not part of it. He's just hanging out. Okay. All right. So you built a matzah house, obviously. There's a gila monster on the ground. What is the goal of the mouse? Are we killing it? Are we getting rid of it? Are we capturing it? Yeah. You guys can tell me what you want to do with the mouse. That's up to you. Okay. Then I'll tell you exactly what I want to do with this mouse. We build this little house and like the witch in the candy house, it just lives in the... It's clearly going to eat the house over time, but it's also going to live in it. Like, no question he's going to be attracted to this. It's going to be a nice little shelter for him. Where'd you build the house? Center of the room in the kitchen of the restaurant. Yeah. Just right in the middle. Center of the kitchen, is what you said. Yeah. Right next to food prep. There's just something else. Yeah. Now it's an obstacle to go around. They'll be like, corner, behind, mousetrap. You're envisioning the restaurant is still open during all of this. Oh yeah. Well, you got to make that coin. We're not going to give a profit, Brad. Fair enough. I know you're worried about like the health inspector aspect, Brad, but here's what we're going to do. We're going to put him on the payroll and we're going to assign him the role of consultant. Kind of a Ratatouille situation, but more in like an official capacity. So it's all above board. Yeah. So we have Chuck E. Cheese here and he lives in a restaurant. Great. No, Chuck E. Cheese is a specific restaurant chain. No, that's the name of the mouse. That's the name of the mouse. Chuck E. Cheese. I know. I'm saying that Chuck E. Cheese is also the name of a restaurant. I'm saying that this mouse is named, let's say, Jason H. Cheese. He's like the brother or the cousin or whatever. Okay. That was important to do. We have Johnny Cheddar. Love that. Writing that down. Johnny Cheddar. I'm on board with that. Yeah. He has done? Yeah. You set up the nice mouse house. Johnny Cheddar moves in. Things are going great. You leave for the day. You come back the next day and Johnny is clearly dead. What? There's a half mouse carcass. That sucks. The Gila monster definitely got to him. So now you have to handle that bit of business. What? No. I was really emotionally invested in that mouse. He had a lovely four hours before that Gila took care of everything. Oh, this is devastating. Maybe don't bring a Gila monster with no plan. Oh, yeah. I'm going to enter in a restaurant without a Gila monster. Be real, man. Put him on a leash. Rad, should we put him on a leash? Is that our next move? I think we go old school. We go bow hunting. We get an archery out there. I'm liking this. We are going after that in the restaurant with people there. We're running around Hawkeye style, really trying to get this thing. He can be the special. We can make money off of this. We can allow customers in the restaurant to join us in hunting and charge them a fee to join us. Make some money. I don't know if I can just say it and will it into existence. I think that's how this game is played. It's a pregnant Gila monster. Did we establish that? Oh, sure. That's, yeah. That can be pregnant. Okay. So we capture it before it gives eggs. No, you don't get to capture it. You don't automatically get to capture it. I know. I know. I'm just, I'm working this out in my head. I don't know if they get pregnant or if they just lay eggs, but it's going to have kids. That's the important part. The first thing you want is for it to be harder. Yep. My goal, Brad, is that we're going to get a, not just one Gila monster. We're going to get like a family of them and we're going to turn this into like a lobster tank situation where you go into this restaurant and you pick your Gila monster to be butchered and eaten. I will let it play that it's last day pregnant and it has kids that day. So overnight it had kids. That's fine. To be clear, I'm not saying what's happened because I know we have to get to that. I'm just establishing the goal we should be working towards. As of now, it was pregnant. It now is. It ate the mouse, then had some babies. However the hell Gila monsters do that. You now have five Gila monsters to take care of. Four of them are babies. Oh boy. Curtis, to your point, maybe our goal is not to take care of them. It's to make money off of, you know, people coming to shoot them. That is our goal. Yeah. First of all, not shoot them. You just pick, you pick the one you want and then somebody grabs it and cooks. To be clear, they're not in a tank, Curt. So how do we get there, Brad? We've got to find a way to capture them. Well, I guess step one, we bought a tank, right? Describe your Gila monster tank, please. It's a 50 gallon. I think that's enough. That seems large. I'm not going to look it up. It feels large. Well, we want this to become a staple of our restaurant. So I'm not mad. I'm just saying that seems like a good size. So we want a nice deserty environment for it. But I don't want there to be like, like if we put sand at the bottom, I don't want to have a bunch of sand on my Gila monster dish. That's gross. Is this five sides of glass, Curt? And an open top? What are we talking about here? I think that's sufficient. Yeah, that's fine. Maybe there's like a screen on top just as a lid. Yeah. And like a heat lamp. There's a heat lamp. You've decided to contain it if you catch it. It could. I think instead of like sand or rocks or like real earthy environmental elements to this thing, I think we should put like ground up graham crackers in the bottom of this thing. Like something food based in the tank. I both love that and feel like it's insulting to the Gila monster. Are these endangered? Are we committing a crime right now? We'll find it after you catch it. Brad, I think you got to do some work here. How are we going to catch the thing? This is on you now. Yeah. You figure out how to make the business profitable. You've not figured out how to solve the problem. Yeah. No. We're all about making money in this group. I don't think you've made money. You have a restaurant and you said, I will let people hunt during their meals. Like that's a crazy plan. We still have the crossbow. Was it officially a crossbow? Is that what we landed on? Yeah, I think so. Obviously. Yeah. The crossbow, unfortunately, Curtis, I don't think would help us because I think it would just kill them right now. And that's not our goal. Oh, but what if instead of an arrow, we replace the arrowhead with just like a suction cup? Oh, that's a good idea. And get a string on the end of the other end of the arrow? What if we just nerf guns? I don't know what a nerf gun is going to do. That's just going to annoy the Gila monster. I don't think it's going to do anything to it. You already brought the crossbow. So you're going to have to make the crossbow work. If you want to put nerf bullets in there, you can. Then I think it's Curtis's idea. We have the crossbow with the suctions. That will work. You guys are saying suction cup. Like, this is a crossbow. Like, this is a killing device. This is going to come flying out of there. What are you talking about? Curtis is really good on the engineering side. He'll make it work. No, he's not. You can't modify the crossbow to shoot less powerful. No, I can modify the Curtis. Go on. Okay, how about this? Okay, so he's not letting us use the crossbow the way we want. So here's what we're going to do. It's still got the arrowhead on the end because this is a very big kitchen. How big? How big is a football stadium? A hundred yards. That's how big a field is. How big is the stadium? Oh, a stadium? Probably what, Ryan, what would we say? Four or five acres? I don't speak acre. I'm not a farm. We'll say a hundred yards with a good amount of buffer. I think that's fair. I think we all know what we're looking at there. That's the size of the kitchen. That's a little too much, Curtis. That's a big kitchen, Curt. I'm trying to get a scale. So if it's a hundred yards for a football field, I would say the kitchen's like a yard. Oh, oh, whoa. That's not far, Curt. Nope. I would say the kitchen's about 2,000 square feet. Is that fair, Curtis? That works great. Curt said a yard. So that is, that's now locked in. And old Chicago over there said, oh, it's a very big kitchen. And then said a yard. We'll say that was a yard in width. You can, I guess I'll let you go length. Okay. Then football field. Three foot by hundred yards. That's fine. That just makes it like a galley kitchen. That's fine. We can make that work. A little park. That's a galley. That's a little of a galley. That's a galley kitchen. Great. So here's what we do with the crossbow. It was so toddler. Tie a wire on one end and we're going to shoot it across the hundred yards. It's going to hit the wall and we're now going to zipline across it. Ooh. You shot a crossbow bolt across this hundred yards? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Curtis is really good at shooting. It wouldn't go a hundred yards. You know that, right? Curtis came, he can make it work. We're going to Spider-Man it. We're going to, we're going to zigzag. So we're going to be on one corner. Okay, yes. Good. Good. We're going to shoot until it hits and we're going to Spider-Man over and then we're going to do the next corner. That makes sense. Did I mention it's also a hundred yards tall? That's fine. That's in play. It's a fucking crazy room. Okay. You've got a zigzaggy zipline-y situation. How's the zipline going to work with zigzags? Well, you, you zig to one side. And you zag to the other. Yeah. What's your question? Why did this help you? Well, I mean, if we're at the, the tippy top of this thing and it's a hundred yards down to get to that Gila monster, we're going to want a way to get down quick. Once we spot him, because we're using the top of it kind of like a bird's eye view. Like we're kind of like a, we didn't get a hawk in the end. So now we're acting as the hawk. We want to be able to swoop down and catch him. You became the hawk. Oh, I love that. Oh, that's great. Oh, wow. Curt, that's good. The Gila monster doesn't have to be in the kitchen though. I'm going to say that. He can go throughout the whole restaurant. That's upsetting. So now we got to lure him into the kitchen, which shouldn't be hard because it's full of food and mice. Yeah. I think that's the easy part. No, no. He ate the one mouse to be clear. There's no such thing as one mouse. If you've got a mouse, you've got many mice. Amen, brother. Amen. I concede. All right. So he gets into the kitchen freely. Except I accept that. I think we've reached a situation where we're trying to rebrand the restaurant anyway. So Brad, I think we need to shut down for the day so that we can focus the entire kitchen staff on just pumping out mice homes using matzah. So we can really scatter and we've got just littering the floor all these little mice homes. So that's going to attract at least some of the Gila monsters, which we can then swoop down to capture. Great. I think this is a solid plan. How are you capturing them? I missed that part. Well, the door on the matzah house locks. Tell me about that. I am intrigued. Brad, do you want to explain that for us? We use, no pun intended, we use locks. Oh. Sermon locks. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense, but it is a good, it's a nice bit. It works really well. It's a nice bit of pun, isn't it? Are you locking here with locks? The locks is our locks. Once he goes in, he's not going to want to leave when he's surrounded by locks. No, you just tie the locks through the matzah. What do you? Then you have a locks lock. What do you mean? What do you mean you tie it to the matzah? Like, you make a little hole in the matzah, you put the locks around, like a shoestring. Very glad I asked. Yeah. You make a locks with the locks. When you say you make it into a shoestring, now what are you doing? You know, in the matzah, you put holes in, like you would put a shoestring and you wrap it around and then you tie it up like a shoe. You're doing like a corner tie? A thousand percent. Yeah. Ooh. I will consider it. Well, how do we get them into the house? There's just a shitload of mice. Is that it? Well, there's a shitload of fish and a shitload of mice, so I think something's going to lure them in. But there's five of them. Remember that. Yeah. And you're watching from above and you're going to, once you see it go into a mouse house to kill the mice, you then swoop down. Yeah. Did you pre-poke the hole or is the hole already there? They're pre-hold. Pre-hold. Are they pre-locked? Locked? No, no, no, no. You have a locks expert as soon as they're in there. This helps because if it was Bradley, Jason Kirkston, I'm sorry, if this was Bradley and Margaret doing the locks threading, I'd be very concerned. No, no, no. We have a lockspert who's going to come in and take care of it. Is that a job? Because I would like to have it. I'm pretty sure it's just a fishmonger, but sure. Well, wait. It's a fishmonger? Are they not very good at tying strips of locks? If you're a fishmonger, you're probably pretty close to being a sailor, right? So there's one degree of separation there. They're probably good at knots. Okay. I will give it to you. You're going to do that five times? First of all, I take a little bit of offense. You're not giving it to us. We won the argument. You took it. You took it, Curt. You guys took it. What am I saying? You swooped down from above. Is it the lockspert now sweeping from above? Because this is now a concern again. No, he's on the side. We're above. We're just watching the whole thing. What are you guys doing now? I'm not lost. Hold on. I disagree, Brad. I think the locks lockspert is Vicky Vale wrapped around Batman. We are Batman and we're swooping down. Okay. Yeah, let's do that. We're Batman. Wait. Okay. You're Batman and the lockspert's on you? Is that what you said? Yeah. He's sort of hanging on. So we swoop down, but he comes with. Okay. And he locks the door real quick once we get him down there. And then we've captured it. This all seems really, it makes a lot of sense to me. Full proof. Congratulations, gents. You've done it. You've killed one mouth. What? The whole point was there was one mouth that was a problem. The way that you finished was that you killed five Gila monsters, but introduced a fuckload of mice. Now, wait a minute. We did not kill five Gila monsters. We captured five Gila monsters, read them, and created an industry. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. That's right. There was a business idea. Of pick your own Gila monster to eat restaurant. Yeah, we're making our own money. So that's the most important thing. But thank you, Ryan, for trying to yuck our yum. I would never yuck your yum. You guys did fantastic. Congratulations. I'm out of my element. You guys are clearly, and you're well within yours. I concede. Well, Ryan, is Fraser going to yuck our yum next week when we cover the previous episode at Season 9, Episode 2, Don Juan, In Hell, Part 2? Yeah, this is the satisfying conclusion of our favorite advice-giving Lothario, attempting to bag two lovers on the same night. This Lothario is, of course, Roz, who fails remission and is stuck with Roger for the rest of the season. I like you think that a season premiere would focus on Roz. Well, we've seen similar sorts of situations with Niles. I still think we saw the beginning of Roger and that you have somehow convinced yourself there's more to come. We're going to go back to the tape. We're going to find that Roger clip and then post it all over the social medias and you're going to feel real embarrassed, Curt. Real embarrassed. If you find that Roger clip, I will be over the moon to slip it in here and prove myself wrong. You're going to have to do that work because it doesn't exist, so I'm not going to waste any more time trying to find it. Oh, fair enough. All right, well, that will do it for us. Thanks to Gavin McLeod for our theme music and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod. Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. For myself, for Ryan, and for Brad, good morning, Noah. I'm distracted because I'm looking out my window and there's a man walking by who's got like a trench coat and a goatee and a beret. And he's just the strangest creature. Don't let that man out of your sight. He's about to commit some crime.