Introduces himself as “your host.”
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Classic Frasier · Season 9 · Episode 4
IN THE ROOM
CurtisRyanBrad(ley)NO COMMON DENOMINATOR
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Introduces himself as “your host.”
After confirming Marty is not leaving, Curtis offers “Condolences to Ryan.” Ryan replies, “Hi, Curt. You know, I’m a little disappointed, but it’s okay. As long as you guys help me through it together tonight, I’ll be all right.”
Introduced as “our Mongolian throat singer,” Bradley Kirkston. Brad says, “Thank you. And just like Fraser, I also will not be home for Thanksgiving this year.” He then retracts it: “No, I just, you know, I never leave, but I just wanted to be cool like Fraser.”
We did not settle on an opening discussion, actually. I assume we don't want to go with, what is the thing that haunts you? No, I like the other one. What's the best Slurpee flavor? Why is that? Oh, okay. I was like, why is that even about this episode? Okay, I gotcha. You know, something about convenience stores. Got it. All right. Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we're covering season nine, episode four, The Return of Martin Crane, which originally aired on October 9th, 2001. Does Return suggest that Martin had a long hiatus from the show and won't be in several seasons of our backwards rewatch? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curt Ishek. Oh, and to answer that earlier question, no, Marty ain't going anywhere. Condolences to Ryan. Hi, Curt. You know, I'm a little disappointed, but it's okay. As long as you guys help me through it together tonight, I'll be all right. I'm there for you, buddy. And you know who else is there for you? It is our Mongolian throat singer. It's Bradley Kirkston. Thank you. And just like Fraser, I also will not be home for Thanksgiving this year. Really? No, I just, you know, I never leave, but I just wanted to be cool like Fraser. Oh, I don't know what to do with that. Maybe you should go somewhere for Thanksgiving. Well, you know, yeah, I mean, maybe I'll go to Vegas. One of the college teams that I like is playing basketball in Vegas this year on Thanksgiving, so maybe. That's such a weird thing to know. I saw it today. They're playing Texas Tech University. Maryland versus Texas Tech. That doesn't make it less weird that you saw it today. Wow. Why doesn't that help? Well, you know, I just wanted to give you some background. I'm here to tell a full story, okay? I'm not part of a globe. I'm the full globe. What? You're like, the world revolves around me. Like, okay, great. But you're saying you're just, you are the world. Yeah, like, we are the world. Yeah, but you're saying you are. You're saying I am the world. I am the world. I am the future. I will make the world a better place. I don't know the words of the song.
The games, the premises, and what everyone brought to the table.
Game / activity
Curtis describes American things and their foreign counterparts, linked to references in the television episode. Brad and Ryan identify the counterpart and, as the rules develop, its country. Steals are allowed. The turn convention moves from taking turns toward keeping control, then Curtis gives Ryan first chance under a joking “pity point” rule. The clues and company or film claims below are reported as played, not independently verified facts.
RESULT STATUS
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Winner: Ryan
Within the recorded rounds · 6 recorded contributions
Five comparisons, usually followed by a country question, share the same continuing round. Brad reaches an announced 4–0 lead. Ryan then answers the music and Thanksgiving items, and Curtis declares a tie. No final numeric totals are stated.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Ryan guesses Hollister after the clue is repeated and clarified. Brad steals with Kmart for a point. The follow-up asks where the separate Kmart company is: Brad guesses Thailand, Ryan offers Kazakhstan as a reverse steal, and Curtis reveals Australia. He awards Brad a point for being geographically closer. The later country question is distinct from the store-identification answer.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
The group identifies Mrs. Doubtfire, then learns that the requested answer is the other film. Brad guesses “Mrs. Blanchard’s Fire”; Ryan offers “Mr. Doubtfire.” Brad nominates “Elnora,” preserving the owner’s spelling after listening. Ryan separately endorses that nomination, then guesses Captain America: Brave New World and makes the first Deadpool guess. The…
The group identifies Mrs. Doubtfire, then learns that the requested answer is the other film. Brad guesses “Mrs. Blanchard’s Fire”; Ryan offers “Mr. Doubtfire.” Brad nominates “Elnora,” preserving the owner’s spelling after listening. Ryan separately endorses that nomination, then guesses Captain America: Brave New World and makes the first Deadpool guess. The later Deadpool echo is not assigned by this decision. Curtis reveals a title transcribed “Amelia Perez,” while acknowledging he has not seen it. He says Ryan has no points yet. For the country, Brad guesses Brazil and Ryan steals with Portugal; the supplied answer is France. A geographically-closer remark does not receive a clear local award, and the later scoreboard still gives Ryan zero.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Brad identifies 7-Eleven and then Japan. Curtis awards a point for each and announces Brad 4, Ryan 0. The repeated Japan wording does not automatically identify every physical speaker.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Curtis gives Ryan first chance, calling it the “pity point” rule. Ryan objects that priority alone is not a point. He correctly pairs Billy Joel with Elton John, then gives England as Elton John’s country. Curtis confirms the answers and Ryan gets on the board.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
The item originally planned as a tiebreaker becomes Ryan’s chance to draw level. He answers Thanksgiving in Canada, and Curtis declares a tie. This announcement is preserved without reverse-engineering a final tally.
A proposed Timu question is interrupted and withdrawn without an answer. The group suggests Victoria’s Secret, Curtis starts looking for a counterpart, and criticism of the episode’s rating interrupts before he returns with a broader question: name a lingerie brand outside the United States.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
An unnamed speaker says no. Brad gives the joke answer “Victor’s Closet.” Ryan offers Lux, and Brad suggests Lululemon. Curtis reports Lululemon is Canadian, then says Ryan answered first with Lux and identifies an English registration. He explicitly declares Ryan the winner. The earlier Kmart suggestion belongs to preparation, not a separate played answer.
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Opening planning
Context outside the activity. Activity request: what is the thing that haunts you?; What's the best Slurpee flavor?
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introduction
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Slurpee discussion
Segment type: opening discussion Activity request: what is your favorite Slurpee flavor?; As an adult right now, would you go get a Slurpee under any circumstance? Answer (preference-responses): I don't like Slurpees.; I go the original Coca-Cola. The Coca-Cola Slurpee. I like it.; The cherry flavor.; That's my favorite. Answer (adult-use-free-day-response): On…
Segment type: opening discussion Activity request: what is your favorite Slurpee flavor?; As an adult right now, would you go get a Slurpee under any circumstance? Answer (preference-responses): I don't like Slurpees.; I go the original Coca-Cola. The Coca-Cola Slurpee. I like it.; The cherry flavor.; That's my favorite. Answer (adult-use-free-day-response): On July 11th that are known as 7-Eleven Day.; The 7-Eleven near us does free Slurpees. Answer (adult-use-Curt-response): I would never turn down a Slushie.; So I don't usually have the option and I wouldn't go out of my way to get it.; There's a bar near me that does like different mixed frozen drinks in Slushie style and I would get those. Claim: we used to get Slurpees and put alcohol in it, 99 bananas.; You used to put banana flavoring into Coke Slurpee. Competition adjudication competition established: False
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Review transition
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Review before performance
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Throat singing exchange
Activity request: Get your throat singing out. Response: That's all I got. Action: Just noises not actual words answer: Just noises not actual words
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Unused song game idea
Context outside the activity. Activity premise: That was one of my ideas for our closing segment that you would do songs and we'd have to guess; what song you were singing as you were throat singing.
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Episode review
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Episode ratings
Activity request: Well, Brad, what's your average for the episode?; Curtis, what did you give it?; Ryan, come join my team. Scores: Brad: D minus; Curtis: 21 out of 79; Ryan: earlier: 5-3; revised: 3.2 at best Answer qualification: And the more I'm talking, the more I feel like 3-2 is too high.; I think my D- is too high, so I agree. Competition adjudication…
Activity request: Well, Brad, what's your average for the episode?; Curtis, what did you give it?; Ryan, come join my team. Scores: Brad: D minus; Curtis: 21 out of 79; Ryan: earlier: 5-3; revised: 3.2 at best Answer qualification: And the more I'm talking, the more I feel like 3-2 is too high.; I think my D- is too high, so I agree. Competition adjudication competition established: False answer: 3.2 Ryan revised number: 3.2 Raw transcript scores: Brad: D minus; Curtis: 21 out of 79; Ryan: earlier: 5-3; revised: 3.2 at best
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Ratings aftertalk
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Knock on
Title: Knock On Activity premise: Iconic American brands are often mimicked and copied around the world, but sometimes the; knockoff proves way better than the original. Activity description: So I'm going to describe for you, uh, an American thing and its foreign counterpart, and you're; going to have to say what the thing is. Rules: reference constraint: All of…
Title: Knock On Activity premise: Iconic American brands are often mimicked and copied around the world, but sometimes the; knockoff proves way better than the original. Activity description: So I'm going to describe for you, uh, an American thing and its foreign counterpart, and you're; going to have to say what the thing is. Rules: reference constraint: All of these, for the record, are things that were in some way referenced in the show today.; country question added: You're going to now guess where?; initial turn rule: No, it's because we're taking turns.; control proposal: I think we should do make it take it style.; later control application: I didn't steal control back.; priority override: I'm invoking this game's well-known rule of the pity point, and Ryan will get to answer; first next. Competition adjudication competition established: True Scoring mechanism: Point Brad.; And you get a point for that because that's how this game is played now.; He can score points now by guessing the country name correctly. Scores: Unresolved: Final numeric totals are not stated. The intermediate 4–0 scoreboard, subsequent tie and final Ryan victory are separately established. Winner statement: Well, Ryan, you're the winner tonight. Final adjudication: Ryan answered first with Lux.; Lux lingerie LTD registered in England.
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Main round
Result type: TIE Final adjudication: We end the game on a tie. Scores (intermediate-scoreboard): Brad: 4; Ryan: 0 Result qualification: This will just be for the break-even, Ryan.
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Kmart prompt
Prompt: Enter this American brand and experience a sad, dilapidated ghost town.; Try the Knock On, and you'll experience a modern, minimalist design aesthetic with affordable,; trendy goods. Correct answer: Kmart Answer qualification: It is technically a different company.
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Hollister answer
Answer: Hollister Adjudication verdict: REJECTED
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Kmart answer
Answer: Kmart Correct: True Point awarded: 1
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Kmart country prompt
Prompt: You're going to now guess where? Prompt item: Kmart Correct answer: Australia Adjudication method: I think Brad's technically geographically closer.
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Thailand answer
Answer: Thailand Answer qualification: I'm going to go with my gut. Correct: False Point awarded: 1 Score effect method: geographically closer
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Kazakhstan answer
Answer: Kazakhstan Correct: False Response status: volunteered reverse steal Response context: Kmart, like the Kazakhstan Mart.
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Film prompt
Prompt: What is the knock-on of Mrs. Doubtfire? Activity premise: Both this American comedy classic and the Spanish language knock-on are about a father; changing genders to be reunited with his kids. Raw prompt: But while both of them won comedy Golden Globes, the former nabbed two Oscars to the originals; won. Prompt item: Mrs. Doubtfire Correct answer: Amelia Perez Answer qualification: I didn't see it, to be fair.
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Doubtfire identification
Answer: Mrs. Doubtfire Answer qualification: You're guessing the knock-on.; Everybody was going to get that there's Mrs. Doubtfire.
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Blanchard answer
Answer: Mrs. Blanchard's Fire.
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Mr doubtfire answer
Answer: Mr. Doubtfire
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Nora nomination
Answer: Elnora Response context: That's the only one I remember.; Is it a Nora? Answer qualification: Owner-provided spelling Elnora; preserved without outside normalization. answer: Elnora Answer wording: Elnora Raw transcript answer: The Nora?
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Nora endorsement
Claim: I would also have said a Nora. Answer qualification: It's the only movie I knew.
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Captain america answer
Answer: Captain America Brave New World
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Deadpool answer
Answer: Deadpool
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Film debrief
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Film name score status
Competitive scoring statement: No points yet. Scores (before-film-country-answers): Ryan: 0
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Film country prompt
Prompt: Are we supposed to guess what country this happened in now? Prompt item: Amelia Perez Correct answer: France
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Brazil answer
Answer: Brazil Correct: False
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Portugal answer
Answer: Portugal Correct: False Score effect points: Unresolved: No explicit local award follows the closeness remark. The subsequent scoreboard still gives Ryan zero. Result qualification: Brad's at 4 to Ryan's 0.
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Geographic closeness comment
Claim: Geographically closer. Result qualification: Brad's at 4 to Ryan's 0.
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Seven eleven prompt
Prompt: Visit this American brand to enjoy dried out heat lamp hot dogs and overpriced packaged; goods.; On the positive side, they also sell hope in the form of lottery tickets.; Try the knock on if you want fresh, balanced, seasonal, and even healthy foods.; Not to mention services like driver's license renewal, bill payment, and even paying taxes. Correct answer: 7-Eleven
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Seven eleven answer
Answer: 7-Eleven Answer qualification: So I think this is the same as the American brand name. Correct: True Point awarded: 1
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Japan prompt
Prompt: But do you know what country I'm referring? Prompt item: 7-Eleven Correct answer: Japan
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Japan answer
Answer: Japan Correct: True Point awarded: 1
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Priority change
Action: I'm invoking this game's well-known rule of the pity point, and Ryan will get to answer; first next. Answer qualification: Once again, if I'm not getting a point, it's not a pity point, Curt.
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Music prompt
Prompt: This American brand is a working class hero and a down-to-earth musical prodigy.; The knock-on is much more colorful and a real hero to Daphne. Correct answer: Billy Joel and Elton John
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Music answer
Answer: American: Billy Joel; counterpart: Elton John Correct: True Competitive scoring statement: Ryan's on the board.
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England prompt
Prompt: What is the country, though, that Elton John is from? Correct answer: England
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England answer
Answer: England Correct: True
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Thanksgiving prompt
Prompt: This American tradition is a November feast, but wouldn't you rather have a similar feast; when it's not as cold out in October and on a Monday? Correct answer: Thanksgiving in Canada Result qualification: This will just be for the break-even, Ryan.
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Thanksgiving answer
Answer: tradition: Thanksgiving; country: Canada Correct: True Result qualification: We end the game on a tie.
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Provisional tie wrap
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Tiebreak round
Activity request: Well, you have to have a tiebreaker, Curt. Adjudication method: Ryan answered first with Lux.; Lux lingerie LTD registered in England.
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Timu prompt
Prompt: What is the brand that Timu's a knock-on of or knock-off? Response status: withdrawn without answer
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Victoria preparation
Activity request: Let me do that now.; Let me look up if there is a knock-on for Victoria's Secret. Question: And we have to guess the name?
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Preparatory kmart suggestion
Claim: Isn't it just Kmart? Response context: That's the whole joke.
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Ratings callback
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Lingerie prompt
Prompt: I guess for this one, just can either of you name a lingerie brand outside of the United States? Adjudication method: Ryan answered first with Lux. Correct answer: Lux
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Lingerie no answer
Answer: No.
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Victors closet answer
Answer: Victor's Closet. Answer qualification: Oh, that's funny.
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Lux answer
Answer: Lux Correct: True Adjudication: Ryan answered first with Lux.; Lux lingerie LTD registered in England.
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Lululemon answer
Answer: Lululemon Answer qualification: I mean, is Lululemon technically an international company? Adjudication: So Lululemon is a Canadian company recorded in Vancouver, but hold the phone. Result qualification: Ryan answered first with Lux.
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Winner wrap
Winner statement: Well, Ryan, you're the winner tonight.
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Preview prompt
Prompt: But can you tell us what to expect next week when we cover the previous episode of season; nine, episode three, the first temptation of death. Context outside the activity.
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Preview answer
Answer: Daphne gets wooed by a Cheshire sheepherder. Submission type: prediction
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Preview discussion
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Lingerie callback
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outro
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postscript
Context outside the activity. Activity request: We got to get Brad's horrible Coke slushy and 99 bananas and try that against the Coke and beer and see what happens. Result qualification: If we find a way to get together and have a lineup of weird concoctions.
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Complete admitted transcript
We did not settle on an opening discussion, actually. I assume we don't want to go with, what is the thing that haunts you? No, I like the other one. What's the best Slurpee flavor? Why is that? Oh, okay. I was like, why is that even about this episode? Okay, I gotcha. You know, something about convenience stores. Got it. All right. Welcome to Reverse…
We did not settle on an opening discussion, actually. I assume we don't want to go with, what is the thing that haunts you? No, I like the other one. What's the best Slurpee flavor? Why is that? Oh, okay. I was like, why is that even about this episode? Okay, I gotcha. You know, something about convenience stores. Got it. All right. Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we're covering season nine, episode four, The Return of Martin Crane, which originally aired on October 9th, 2001. Does Return suggest that Martin had a long hiatus from the show and won't be in several seasons of our backwards rewatch? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curt Ishek. Oh, and to answer that earlier question, no, Marty ain't going anywhere. Condolences to Ryan. Hi, Curt. You know, I'm a little disappointed, but it's okay. As long as you guys help me through it together tonight, I'll be all right. I'm there for you, buddy. And you know who else is there for you? It is our Mongolian throat singer. It's Bradley Kirkston. Thank you. And just like Fraser, I also will not be home for Thanksgiving this year. Really? No, I just, you know, I never leave, but I just wanted to be cool like Fraser. Oh, I don't know what to do with that. Maybe you should go somewhere for Thanksgiving. Well, you know, yeah, I mean, maybe I'll go to Vegas. One of the college teams that I like is playing basketball in Vegas this year on Thanksgiving, so maybe. That's such a weird thing to know. I saw it today. They're playing Texas Tech University. Maryland versus Texas Tech. That doesn't make it less weird that you saw it today. Wow. Why doesn't that help? Well, you know, I just wanted to give you some background. I'm here to tell a full story, okay? I'm not part of a globe. I'm the full globe. What? You're like, the world revolves around me. Like, okay, great. But you're saying you're just, you are the world. Yeah, like, we are the world. Yeah, but you're saying you are. You're saying I am the world. I am the world. I am the future. I will make the world a better place. I don't know the words of the song. What's everybody's favorite Slurpee flavor? How do I transition out of this? How do I make you stop? The question is, what is your favorite Slurpee flavor? Great question, Curtis. Thank you so much for asking. I'd like to go first. Fine. Real talk. I don't like Slurpees. Whoa. Really? Yeah, really. I don't know. I used to drink them, eat them. I don't know what you even consider a Slurpee action. You slurp them? I never. I would never. I'm too dignified. I don't care for them. I don't think they're that good. I don't know. What's the hype? Growing up, I was not near a lot of 7-Elevens. I don't have maybe any experience with a 7-Eleven branded Slurpee, but I love the, like, slushie. Like, any kind of slushie brand. I do like. Does Slurpee 7-Eleven? Yeah. I believe that's 7-Eleven, yeah. You're right. I am a 7-Eleven guy. There's lots of 7-Elevens in my neck of the woods. I'm also a 7-Eleven guy. Shout out to Frank, friend of the pod. He used to work at 7-Eleven. The one I could walk to. I can actually walk to one now on my credit boat. If you're asking me, which you are, because I'm on the show, surprisingly. I think we're asking you. Yep. I go the original Coca-Cola. The Coca-Cola Slurpee. I like it. Is that the original? Absolutely not. I mean, it's the original Coca-Cola. Is there, oh, the original Coca-Cola. I didn't know what you would think I meant, like, new Coke. No, we thought you meant that was the original Slurpee flavor. Yeah, I could see where you would get confused. Because of the way you talk. Correct. As a Slurpee hater. Do you actually like the Coke flavor, or do you like the novelty of the Coke flavor? Well, I'm a novelty guy, as you know. We all like the novelty of it. I don't think the taste backs it up. Here's the thing. This will help your argument, and not me. But when I was in the high school, we used to get Slurpees and put alcohol in it, 99 bananas. Okay. It tasted great. This is an interesting caveat. Because I was not that cool in high school. We didn't have 99 bananas ready to go. Have you ever had 99 bananas? You're not missing out. Isn't that like a 50-proof alcohol? Yeah. Yeah. It's banana-flavored? Correct. Oh, you're talking about alcohol. I was like, is this just a lot of bananas? Like, what are we talking about? It was a lot of banana-flavored liqueur. Yeah. I don't even know what's banana-flavored. I don't exactly know what it is. It would be hilarious if it was orange-flavored. It might be like they made the alcohol with bananas. I don't know. I don't know how it works. I just know it looks really cheap and tacky. Okay. Yes. It is cheap, and it was really easy to get people to buy it for us when we were 16. It's one of those, you can tell from the cover, the label, that it's trash. Yeah. Would drink. No. You know. Love shitty banana flavor. So, Curtis, what is your feeling towards- Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, we're not done with that. Oh, sorry. You used to put banana flavoring into Coke Slurpee. That sounds horrible. We thought we were so cool. That sounds repulsive. We thought we were geniuses for doing it. Then we thought, what if we got like a cherry Slurpee and put bananas in it? We're like, mind blown. Mind blown. That sounds a little more tolerable. Yeah. The cherry flavor. That's my favorite. The real question to you both. As an adult right now, would you go get a Slurpee under any circumstance? I actually know the last time I got a Slurpee and when the next time I'm going to get a Slurpee, and I will tell you what that day is. Are you trying to do like a Nostradamus thing, but for unimportant events? No. Wait, wait. Nostradamus didn't say, I know that I'm going to do a thing later today. No. It depends what the answer is and how weird it is. On July 11th that are known as 7-Eleven Day. Oh, I see. The 7-Eleven near us does free Slurpees. I see. I would never turn down a Slushie. No one said turn it down, Curt. That's not what I'm saying. I'm trying to answer your question. I'm not like I've grown out of it or anything, but I'm rarely anywhere where there even an option. You're not a big convenience store guy like I am. No. So I don't usually have the option and I wouldn't go out of my way to get it. There's a bar near me that does like different mixed frozen drinks in Slushie style and I would get those. I don't like Slushies. I'm not turning one down if it's handed to me. I might even go on 7-Eleven free day. I don't know. Yeah. But if you were at a bar and you saw an alcoholic Slushie, would you be excited by it and get it? Not anymore. Or would you be like, I'm going to order a different drink because I don't have to order this? There was a bar when I was in my 20s that I used to go to. I think I actually took you guys to once in Baltimore that had Slurpee, like frozen Slurpee drinks with alcohol. And now I have no interest. I think because I drank so many when I was younger, I'm like, eh, that doesn't interest me. You did take us there. And the problem with that is those sucked. That was not a good execution. Most of them do, though. They're not like I would say your average Slurpee slushie drink is going to be worse than your average. It's novelty. It just wears off after a while. It's just like, cool, I'm drinking a frozen drink. I was done with them at about the two-year mark. Yeah. Two years into my drinking journey. Okay. Well, to be fair, we've watched the new series of Frasier. We've watched the last couple seasons of Frasier. So we also know that Frasier is mostly not that good. But should we get into this episode? I was not sure how you were going to do that segue. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? We open with a crane over Seattle. When Kenny asks Roz to gopher for him, Frasier chastises him. Because Roz is Frasier's gopher, and he needs her to pick up cake and ice cream for Marty's first day back at work celebration. Woo. We're starting off hot. Loved the call. Loved that the caller was at his wedding. That was a nice little reveal. I think that's easily our best call we've had so far. Did you recognize the voice? Frasier. Yeah, it's Kelsey Grammer. Wow, you're good at this. No, I did not recognize the caller. My ears definitely heard Anthony Edwards of ER and Top Gun fame. Anthony Edwards is a basketball player, is that right? He is, but that's not the same one. He is. Oh, he actually is. Not the basketball player. Oh. Not the basketball player. Have you seen Top Gun, the first one? Yeah, but it was on a bus. Okay. I don't think I took it all in, you know? This is not Minnesota Timberwolves' Anthony Edwards. Honestly, this guy, he's bald enough. He looks like he'd do well in the NBA. Did you ever watch ER? He was the doctor on ER. He looks like slightly sadder David Cross. Hey, where the f*** are my hard-boiled eggs? He's a good actor, though. But besides the point. Congrats, Anthony Edwards, not the basketball player. Good on you. Thanks for calling. I'm excited to not recognize him in the In Memoriam. Oh, we already did it. I didn't recognize him then. Anyway, the conversation with Roz and Kenny, where he wants her to get him lingerie for his wife. Sorry, Kenny, but I am not going to Victoria's Secret for you. Victoria's Secret? Whoa, whoa, Rockefeller. I'm talking Kmart. Yeah, the Kmart joke was great. Yes. Since when does Roz not get stuff for people? That's like her whole character. What is this? Like, we don't know what happened before this moment. Like, if this is new that they're introducing the idea that she's going to get things for Frasier. Because in the Upside Down, it's like her whole personality is getting things for Frasier. And they're just like, for the last three seasons, this is how we're going to use Roz. That would be crazy. Either she's held it off for years and finally the dam broke and now she does it all the time. Or this is like some weird in-joke in the show. To be fair, though, I mean, we are establishing Marty's job now. This episode at a time you would never have guessed it. No, it's been a long time since I saw this episode at this point. I thought, oh, is this going to be like a main plot of this episode? And it really was not. It really was just like kind of a running joke and not really like a main plot. This whole scene. You guys think he was talking about lingerie at the start? I thought he was talking about like tampons or something. Yeah, I think that might be what I thought initially. Because he is super weird about it. You can't say the word lingerie. I've never seen that as a bit. I get why you might be uncomfortable trying to pick one out yourself. That I get. But like he couldn't even say the word like it was Voldemort or something. Well, I don't want to jump ahead, but I don't actually remember what scene it was in. But did you catch the follow-up joke to this? Oh, the perv stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, so good. Yeah. When Frasier's going on his diatribe being like, Roz isn't a gopher. Like we knew for sure he was going to ask her to get something. It just was how soon would that happen? And turned out same scene. The next part of the scene where the guy brings the cake. I love that. Like what that guy says to Frasier is exactly what I was thinking. Why did you order such a small cake if you wanted to say so much? Where do you buy cakes for delivery at this time? Or even now? I mean, it wasn't a DoorDash, right? Right. Now you can't actually easily do it through DoorDash and other apps. Probably. The guy wouldn't have been so invested in what was written on there. We're in 2001, right? Maybe a really bougie bakery in Seattle that offers small cakes on delivery. Like what do you think that cost him? Probably $100 would be my guess. I think it cost him his pride at the end of the scene. Yeah, right? Well, definitely. It was probably an absurd amount and he still wouldn't spring for the bigger cake. The way they wrap it up though is super weird too. He's like, all right, I'll go update it. You can come pick it up. It's like, I ordered the delivery service. Like come re-deliver it, I guess. It is funny that he hires his producer to be the delivery service. Hire is a relative term because I don't think he's paying her. Right. Yeah. Also, it's not funny. This is all he ever does with her. I don't get why we're making a thing of it this episode. We get a title card. Beware lollygagging messengers. Daphne and Niles gift of the magi each other. Niles agrees to do her thing, a Billy Joel concert. Niles pesters Marty about the emotional ramifications of putting back on a badge, triggering the first of many flashbacks. Thanks. Buckle up, boys. We got a lot of throat singing to talk about. A lot of throat singing. Shall we hear it? Get your throat singing out. You want to hear it for real? Yeah. All right. Where's the singing? That's all I got. If you want me to try to do like a, oh, what's a Billy Joel song? That was one of my ideas for our closing segment that you would do songs and we'd have to guess what song you were singing as you were throat singing. You should have suggested that because that would have been better. No, that would be plundishing to the audience. But throat singing karaoke is hilarious. It's way funnier of a concept than it is an audio treat. So Ryan, what do you think of the scene? What do you think of the gift exchange? I don't know. I mean, it's weird. I've definitely never given someone a surprise gift and they also gave me the same kind of surprise gift. That is happening at the same night? Yeah. I mean, obviously that's what we're going to do if we're doing this weird surprise gift thing. I don't know. It was really weird because they both nailed it. And right away you're like, well, that's that doesn't sit right. People don't nail stuff on this show. That's not what it's about. I liked when they asked each other, like how they got the tickets. Oh, well, I know a guy who knows a guy who has a friend who was able to pull a few strings. How did you get these? I called the box office. Yeah, that was a nice little exchange. This is the episode where I think we've established all of the characters going forward, because here's where Niles is like, they're trying to go back and forth for which show they're going to go to. And basically it comes out that they've done all of Niles's stuff lately. And he's like, ah, yes, I have been a bit piggish lately. It's like, no, this is going to be you the rest of the way, bud. So I don't know. Maybe next episode everyone will be totally different. Who knows? Different actors are playing them. I can see it. We had different hair for Niles. I know that. Ryan, have you ever bought your wife, Courtney, a ticket to a show, a concert, anything, and handed it to her as a gift the day it was going down? No. Have you ever given a day of gift? No. I think maybe now she could handle it. That would not have gone over well. Even if it was like the very thing she wanted to do. I don't think she would have been into it until like maybe this year. And even then, I don't think she'd be into it. It's just she'd be willing to. Yeah. Like, whatever. At this point, you know, being a mom, she's just gotten over surprises. But yeah, she's not big on getting surprised. They didn't say it was like an anniversary or anything. It is a, I got you a gift just to get you a gift situation. But they both did it at the same time on the same day. And it was for a thing happening that very night. Like, there's a lot of convenience happening in this scene. Yeah, it's crazy. I do have a question about the episode as a whole. Because at the end of this scene, we're going to get a very brief, flashing back to Marty right before he got shot at the end of his cop career. And last season, we had an episode where they did a bunch of flashbacks in a hospital. And I'm just wondering, is that like a thing with Frasier? Do they do a once a season flashback episode? Season 11, we had the croc episode. Right. Yeah, must do. Well, we have eight more seasons to see if this continues. We get eight more flashback episodes. There was not a flashback episode of New Frasier season one. No, no. And I can't ask about season two, but. I think it would make sense that they wouldn't do a flashback in season one. And that feels aggressive. So maybe we'll get seven more. Yeah, I think a flashback in season one of 1993, Frasier, would just be cheers. Oh, actually, they might do that. Episode 20 of season one of Frasier is just a cheers club show. That'd be awesome. So Niles in this scene has a really awkward, uncomfortable moment. Last time you worked, some crazy person pointed a, you know, at you. And you ended up in the, well, you could have actually, well, I just, probably you're going to have a lot of issues. He's trying to like therapy his dad, but he's so uncomfortable. And at first it was very like, this doesn't track because he's a literal psychiatrist. He should never be more comfortable than talking about emotions. Then it's like, yeah, this is dad. So I think I kind of buy that he, what do you feel? Do you feel like that's plausible or should he be better at this? You know, it's tough. They obviously show us later why he's so uncomfortable. And, you know, we'll get to that. But he's not going back to be a cop, right? Like he's going back to sit at a desk. It's not the same thing. I don't know. Right. I thought it was, it was a little out of character for him. I thought. I thought the sentiment was nice. I thought the way he approached it was just so awkward. No, that's clearly the point, right? Yeah. They were trying to do that and they did do that. I just don't know if they needed to. Yeah. I think they needed to in the sense that they needed to trigger Marty having the flashbacks. But I think if they had played it more like Niles being very just kind of comfortable, but sincere about it and his dad just sort of brushing it off, like, eh, leave me alone. I don't need your psychobabble. I feel like that would have worked just as well. I was going to say, you say that, but like the rest of the episode, I feel like they just pull flashbacks out whenever they damn please. I don't think it's at all justified when they do it. I guess I'm saying all of the flashbacks are all just justified by this one moment. Yeah. You're right, though. There's not like there's something that happens in the present day scenes that trigger the flashback in any real way. And they could have. They have the blocking for it. They just don't have the writing to support it. It's really weird. Flashback. Marty is at a dive bar with his police partner, Frank, who is a creep. Niles arrives to complain that Marty booted Maris's car. Speaking of a creep, that voice. Woo. I hope we get to hear it later, but it is tough. I was trying to make it ghostly. Oh, were you? It's not going to ghostly. I got more like, like 80s nighttime journalist. I got perv at a Kmart. I just want to say in this scene, we find out Marty's not really a dog guy. And that tracks. He just, he likes Eddie more than his kids, but he hates his kids. He really likes the name Eddie, apparently, too. Because we really established how much he dislikes his kids in this episode. Really, in this scene. Yeah. I think in fairness to Marty, in this scene and throughout the episode, it's not so much that he doesn't like his kids or that he has something against his kids. It seems to be that he feels like they've rejected him. Yep. Because he's a terrible person. Well, fine. But he's simultaneously like bummed about it, but also cheeky about it. Like, like he boots Maris's car just to, just to fuck her. That is funny. And it does raise intrigue. I don't know if that's going to track with the rest of the series, but that was a really weird bit that I both enjoyed and I'm confused by. And I think it could work. It depends what his relationship to Maris is, but strange. Well, it does seem like this season is really playing up that Marty likes to use his cop influence to fuck with the Niles. Yeah. Yeah. Not a good dad. We know this. Did you guys like the fact or find it weird that this show only names guest stars Frank at this point? Now we have two different. Oh, that is. Like, I just felt like it was very lazy to name another character Frank after this one was named Frank as well, too. I just think they don't have a deep naming repertoire. Like, I don't think it's really Marty's character. They just couldn't come up with another pet name. I thought Frank, he was just kind of annoying and didn't really add that much. He was fine here. I thought in this scene, we establish a Frank that makes sense. That will change. It's very hard to understand Frank because he's simultaneously a total creep show, like just a real perv, but also like kind of insightful about family and relationships. It's weird. That's not here, though, right? No. I think we should wait to hit it because, again, the way they chopped these up is confusing. I mean, we do have to talk about Niles's hair because he walks into the scene. Oh, well, we should also talk about when we think this is happening or when I think this is happening, I guess. Pre-93 would be my guess. That's what it seems like, right? Yeah. But they don't actually... Technically, this could happen on the show. It's just wildly unlikely. It's weird to get the flashback of when this happened here if it's all pre-show. It's like, we'll wait till we're nine seasons in and on a random-ass episode. Yeah, I think maybe they intentionally keep the timing vague. That's very sick, Tommy. Definitely. Yeah, the question is just, are they during the show and it probably isn't. It'd be very surprising. This was season eight. That'd be amazing. If that is Niles' hair in season eight, I'm going to be so thrilled. Niles offers Fraser the Mongolian throat singing tickets, but this creates a conflict. Who will walk Eddie at 10 p.m. sharp? Roz arrives with cake. I just feel like if you can get cake delivered, you can find someone who can walk a dog. I did feel like they were spending way too much time when they probably could call a dog walking service, even in 2001. He mentions, I've got a 94-year-old neighbor, and of course, that's not going to work. It's a big building. It has an entire condo board full of people. Granted, they all hate him, but you're saying that nobody else in this building will be available for one dog walking? Is the girl the reference, is that the one we meet in season 11? Is that the bronze medalist? I think that was her daughter. Heck, I'm 83! But yeah, I don't know. I think everyone does hate him. I guess that's what we're just supposed to believe. I mean, we know that the above neighbors hate him, and you don't just trust your dog with a random person, I guess. I did enjoy in this scene, and really this episode, how many times they did say the word throat singing. Comes up a lot. A lot. More than Billy Joel. The only person that actually says Billy Joel is Daphne, and she says it in a funny way. Billy Joel. Billy Joel. I don't remember reacting to the way she said Billy Joel. I guess I'll have to check the tape on that. He's taking me to see Billy Joel. Billy Joel? He's the piano man. Billy Joel. Billy Joel. She says slightly funny and not how Brad sang it. I'm sure that happened, but like, I don't know. I'm really good at accents, so we'll have to check the tapes. That was one of your better ones in the fact that it wasn't wildly offensive. I think it is Marty trying to compare throat singing to Billy Joel. That doesn't make sense. What the hell is throat singing? Oh, it's an extraordinary technique where a single vocalist can actually produce two distinct tones simultaneously, allowing him to harmonize with himself. Kind of like the Eveli brothers. If they shared a throat and came from Mongolia, yes. The line is whatever. The hand motions and offense Frasier takes while saying it is perfect. It is so great. Well, what's great is he's not really offense. He's not like annoyed or mad. He's just bewildered. He's just like, I don't know what you're not getting. He's maximum bewildered. That statement. Okay. So then Frasier starts dangling the promotion to Roz, which I don't even know if he can offer it. So inappropriate. So inappropriate. And I don't think she gets it, which is also confusing. I think she kind of ignores it. It's not even a promotion. It is a meaningless title. He just adds senior to her existing title. You know, there are no extra responsibilities. I'm sure there's no pay bump. It's a meaningless title, but it helps insecure people feel better about themselves. She seemed interested for a minute, but then we never revisited it. So that was confusing. She really should have just left after that whole thing. She should have just been like, I'm out. Yes, she should have. You know, it's stormed out. But she wants Billy Joel. So I don't think that was in play yet. I think that happens after. That might be true. But I'm just saying, I think that's ultimately that's why she sticks around in this episode. I see. I see. Because yeah, Roz should have left. She should have quit this episode, but she's not going to quit for like another two seasons, right? Season and a half. The end of season 10. That's the end of season 10. We're at, this is what, a five? Four. It's definitely closer to two full seasons. You know what I'm talking about, Marty's fun cake move? I don't remember his cake move. He takes the cake and walks to his room. No, no. He says, I am not in the mood to party. And he's about to storm off. And then he looks at the cake and grabs the whole cake. It wasn't a big cake to grab. I would say in fairness, it's like what, two slices max? It was a four slicer, I think. Not a Marty slice. Not helping your case. It is probably this cake that makes him have to go to the doctor in like three episodes. As his family fights over who has to do him a favor, Roz gives Marty a thoughtful return to work gift. Did you hear as the scene started, they were all playing rock, paper, scissors? And Frasier acts like he's never heard of the rules of rock, paper, scissors. Yes. Are you people insane? How can paper beat a rock? It's a fair question, but like to act like you've never heard of it is crazier. Why is Roz giving Marty a gift? What is this? A really thoughtful gift. I feel like Roz and Marty were the most similar in like personality. So I felt like they always had like a bond. Is that based on anything? I think he gets her out of parking tickets. I think he uses top connections and she wants to stay on the inside. Yes, Curt. That makes sense. That's what I was looking for. That's the answer. Brad, you're an idiot. Sorry that I care too much about connection and relationships and community. Boo. I want to talk about the perv. So this is the scene where we bring back the Kmart business because Marty gets a call that he was supposed to have dinner with his old cop buddies who were going to celebrate with him. But I think it was Frank, in fact. It was Frank. It was Frank. Frank can't make it because he got called in on a perv at Kmart. And I just love that callback. It's clearly Kenny. This is Jock of the Net for sure. The writers were probably so proud of themselves for coming up with that whole thing. Definitely. After throwing this stinker so far. Yeah, right. I think you're probably thrilled. Oh my God, we figured out how to joke the net. I think this whole scene's packed with good jokes. There's also... Let's just all leave now and then Russell has to walk in. Hey! As Ron's is opening the door. Yes. Yeah. I mean, and it's a pretty like touching scene. Like it's very sincere. It's very much like her having a nice like attaboy with Marty kind of a moment. But it's still pretty packed with jokes. I think it's pretty impressive. Yeah. You do not agree. I like the format of the joke where it's like open a door, get a one liner, close it. Sure. Those all land pretty good. I don't know so much about the rest of the scene. It's sentimental. I don't know if it's good. It sets us up for the next one. Did you see the neon sign that says Dukes in Marty's bedroom? Yes. Yeah. This is crazy on two levels. For one, what the hell is this? Why do you have a neon sign that's not hanging up and not plugged in? Probably doesn't work. Weird. Well, real quick. I just feel like if you're going to have a neon sign in your bedroom, it should say something, you know, classy like beer. Yes. Well, that's exactly what I was getting to was our man Freddie. See, this is a genetic thing at this point. He probably has that weird neon sign as a throwback to his grandpa. You know what they say, neon signs skip a generation. See, that's quality stuff. Flashback. After advising Marty to repair his relationship to his kids, Frank sends him to be shot over a Slurpee. See, this is where in the car now. We've got Marty and Frank, right? There's two things that were said, one by Marty, one by Frank that are both interesting. The rest of the scenes, whatever. Maris sucks air through a rice cake. That was what she ate, I think, for Thanksgiving last year. Yeah. I don't know what to do with that. All kinds of crazy. I do think at one point I predicted that she was fat and that seems off the table. Mother of the Pod, when she heard that episode, I don't think she's got a bigger kick out of anything that we've done than hearing you describe Maris. All right. Well, it appears I was wrong on at least one count. But whatever. Throwaway joke. The line that really got me was from Frank, where he goes, yeah, according to Dr. Hottie, you have to make an effort. And he was talking about, you know, interacting with his family. Fucking bananas. And they treated that like that was a revelation. He was talking about his psychiatrist that told him to do that, Dr. Hottie. And Marty has like a nod like, oh, really? Insane. Frank is a peculiar character because on the one hand, he's sort of a bro-y man's man, kind of a horn dog creep. But then he also has these moments where he's like kind of sincere and like, no, Marty, like actually be good to your kids. He introduces to us the idea that's going to pay back later that before he leaves for work, he kisses his kids goodbye. Yeah. Like it's a weird thing. I like that you said pay back and not pay off because that is correct. It is weird. It's so weird. Even as he says it and Marty's like, you really do that? Which in any other like dad situation on this show, you'd be like, yeah, Marty, you have to like interact with your kids. But he goes, yeah, I kiss them every time before I leave. That is weird. I think it's because he's a cop and he's trying to like be sentimental to his children. I don't know why I'm defending him so much, but. You can just say I love you and stuff. I don't know. Kiss several times. You've never been a cop, so you don't know. True. Do you think that Frank and Marty are supposed to be the same or similar ages? Because I thought they were kind of peers and in terms of age, but then it sounds like he's got young kids when Marty already had like grown kids. I really didn't think they were supposed to be the same age. I thought it was supposed to be like his mentee type of thing. I thought they were supposed to be the same age, but also guys can have young. Like when Brad has kids inevitably, I'm like, my kids will be what, 40, 50? I don't know. No, no, no, no. You'll be a great grandfather by then. And I'll be like, Brad, you have to love your kids. You have to try. And I'm like, oh, I know you'll be saying that to me. That'd be real depressing. Fraser offers to walk Eddie now and again at midnight, but Marty insists it has to happen at 10 p.m. The fight over who has to do it continues. Is Marty supposed to be having a panic because he's about to go to work? Or is he really, really adamant that Eddie needs a strict routine? Because I don't believe Eddie follows a strict routine. This whole scene felt like such a throwaway. Like you're just trying to show how these four people are not agreeing with each other. I think a characteristic of Marty we've seen before is he can be a little bit stubborn. And I think initially he heard his kids basically say they just flat out forgot about him and the need to walk Eddie. And I think that set him off. And now that a solution's been reached, a reasonable choice, we've got a way that everybody can win. This kind of works for everybody. It's a fairly sensible approach. Instead of being like, oh, OK, yeah, thanks for figuring it out. He's just like digging in his heels and being like, I asked for you to walk him exactly at 10 p.m. And that's what you're going to do where you don't love me. OK, yeah, I guess. I don't know. I'm surprised you're not jumping on that, Ryan. I feel like I'm describing a negative quality of Marty. And usually you're excited by those. I think that is what they were going for, but we don't bring it back up. So it's left wildly open to interpretation. Like we at no point do we close the book on that. So you can you can go any way you want with it. And of course, we should choose that Marty's shitty and he's being shitty. But I don't know. I think it's probably if I had to guess, I'd say it's probably more just apprehension for going back to work. I don't know. I think that this episode does do a lot of work to sort of pose the idea that Marty feels like his kids don't really care about him, even though he he cares about them. And I think that in the end, we're not to jump into the episode, but his reaction when when they're just really, truly putting themselves first over him, at least in his mind, his reaction is to sort of forgive them and kiss them goodbye. And I think that is what the episode is is ultimately saying is that he as a character, this is what he thinks about his kids, that they love him less than he loves them and that he sort of made peace with that and is not going to hold that over them. Ultimately, he's going to learn to just be more giving, which doesn't keep up after this episode. But OK, fine. That's hard. It's hard as someone knowing that that sentiment is bullshit to have to accept it because I'm probably not going to. I don't know. I think you're right. That is what they were probably trying to do. Again, they didn't say it succinctly, so you could interpret it a few ways. And we know they don't follow up with it. So, you know, I think it's just, you know, kind of. I think that's what they do follow up on. And if you want to talk about Marty being shitty, he sort of, in a way, threatens Fraser in this episode by saying if you don't walk him exactly at 10, he's going to ruin that Berber carpet. Now, a few episodes from now, Marty is going to ruin the Berber carpet. Oh, yeah. You're right. And I very much in that episode thought it was a genuine mistake and that Fraser was overreacting. But now, I don't know, man. He called the shot. That's pretty awesome. Yes, Curt. Curt. Yes, you're right. Ha ha. Oh, nailed him. Suck it. I feel like I'm doing your job for you today, Ryan. Look, man, ring rest. I'm off. I don't know what to tell you. You know, we're doing weird stuff with Marty this episode. It threw me off. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Flashback. In the hospital, Frank keeps Marty company until Niles arrives to be awkward for two minutes. Then, visiting hours end. I just don't know what to do with a lot of these flashbacks. I don't know. But I gain nothing from this. Let me ask you this. How did you feel about this scene in terms of its realism? Did you feel like it was an accurate portrayal of an awkward father and son not knowing what to say in a hospital situation? Sure. That's a fair response to Curtis's high-level question. Yeah. I think they did probably nail that. Probably all three characters. So what? I don't want to go watch awkward hospital conversations. Just go to the hospital. That's not what I'm here for. Okay. Yeah. Okay. They nailed the tone of what that situation would be. So what? What are we doing here? Why did we watch this? Other than to find out Frazier's coming home for Thanksgiving. Did he say that he was coming home for Thanksgiving? I thought he just said he was coming right then and there to visit his dad in the hospital. Can you imagine if Frazier said, oh, oh, he's in the hospital. He got shot. Oh, that's a bummer. Well, I guess I'll come for Thanksgiving months from now. Why do you think it was months from now? He kept bringing it up. I assume it was happening like this weekend. I thought it was summer. It does not surprise me that you would think that, Mr. Sansone. But no, I think he was just saying he was going to come in for his dad getting shot and being in the hospital. The whole point was because he kept bringing up Thanksgiving. Ryan, I'm not sure if you noticed this about the show in the almost three seasons we watched. They don't always close loops. This was the worst example of that. Yeah. Are visiting hours a thing? Why do hospitals have visiting hours? What's the point of that? That's a good question. I don't know. I had a different question, though, about the visiting hours, which is that did Niles know what the visiting hours were and therefore made sure to show up just moments before he'd get to leave. I love that. I think that's definitely what happened. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That's really good. Nailed it, Curt. See, now we're doing some character development. Maybe that is, I guess that's the whole point of the scene. Niles sucks. Well, he did a nice thing for Daphne earlier by agreeing to go to Billy Joel, so we had to balance it. Yeah. I mean, he had a lot of bad moments. I don't know if we needed to pile on. With the fight to walk Eddie unresolved, Marty stuns his kids by kissing them goodnight rather than giving them what for. When Marty calls his kids over to the door, the pose Roz has where she's looking like a nervous schoolgirl whose friend just got in trouble is spot on. Yes, but before that, what are you guys' thoughts on $200 to walk a dog? I'd have taken it. I would have taken it. I got why Daphne was upset because it was her own boyfriend offering it. That's weird. Why was Roz upset by that? That's just a cool $200. I would absolutely have done that. She's there anyway. I mean. Yeah. He could probably go to three Billy Joel concerts with that money. In 2001? Absolutely. Yeah, maybe five. Let's go back to the door, Ryan. The kiss was weird. Yes, it was. It almost felt like the actors didn't know it was happening. Frazier and Niles' reaction and even we get Daphne and Roz all great. The kiss itself was fucking weird. I think it's kind of a comeuppance for Niles, though, because he's stirred all of this up. He reminded his father of basically this moment in his life that reminded him of the time that he was told he should be kissing his kids goodbye. And so he kind of brought this on himself. Curtis, you're the only one on the show that has brothers. Is that something you feel like your dad would do? It is true. I'm the only one with brothers. That is technically true and a weird point. Well, what do you mean technically true? It's very much not true. You're the only one who has multiple brothers. Yeah, brothers. You're the only one that has brothers. Oh, okay. Well, I think the brothers in the whatever. What was your question? Did your dad ever do that to you guys? No. Okay, good. It's also irrelevant to the point because they only have one brother each. So it's more apt to ask you, Brad, who only has one other brother. Right. You don't really have one other brother. Yeah, but I have a sister. In fairness, my father owned a business and kind of made his own hours. And rarely was he leaving the house before us when we went off to school. Usually we went off to school before he went to work. So maybe he just never had the opportunity to say goodbye with us at home. Did he ever hire anyone helpful to be like, hey, you should care about your kids? I wouldn't say he hired my mom. All right, we can leave the app on that. Frazier plays this out with Eddie pacing at the door. When Frazier arrives, Eddie races to the elevator alone, leaving Frazier to chase after him. Kind of entertaining. Not terrible. Not great. Exactly the right tone. Yeah. For other seasons, this would be incredible. For this season, it's, I don't know what, 12th? The 12th best one we've seen. Yeah, mid. Mid. I feel like I fought you guys on a lot of this episode, but I agree with you. This one's very whatever. Still way above average on the whole of these bits. These bits are garbage. Well, Brad, what's your average for the episode? Did you like it? Yeah, not an average score of a low average score. So thank you for keying me up for that one. Again, we've talked about it. There were some good jokes. There really was. But all in all, it was kind of dumb. It was really very, very Marty-centric and like nothing. First off, the episode didn't really end. No. It didn't. Yeah. It didn't end. So I'm going to give this one of my worst scores that I've given in a long time. I'm going to give it a D minus. Wow. Not a fan. Not a fan. Let's try to remember this order. Ryan, what did you give it? No, no. I don't. Curtis, what did you give it? You had a 50-50 shot and you missed. Well, you did say one of our names. That's pretty good for him. I forgot. It's never 50-50 within. Yeah. I'm nervous. I'm nervous to say my answer. I think I like the sort of sincere, touching sort of vibes. I don't even like your tone right now. On Frasier more than you guys do. I think I put this at 21 out of 79. Oh, you were saying that made this a good episode. Oh, okay. I liked this episode. Even though they did it poorly. I think I was really blown away. Like, I agree with you. Some of the story didn't quite feel like it hung together and it was a little bit contrived. And I can see your point about, like, why do we even want to see this happen? But I thought they so nailed the performances of what these types of scenes would be like, like the hospital scene, that I just, I was really impressed by it. So I put this better than... You're really going to give me shit for this. Oh, no. I think this is better than Rooms with a View, which is the other flashback episode. Yeah. Oh, Curtis. Probably right next to Crocktails, too. Yeah, yeah. But I did not think it was as good as the founder of Society. Woo! Okay. Ryan, come join my team. Yeah, it's funny. I gave it a 5-3 at first, but we hadn't, we've been on a hiatus for a little bit. So I haven't watched Frasier lately. The more we're talking about it, though, I don't know what I was thinking. Like, this is, I think, a 3-2 at best. I think that's fair. You said some of it's contrived. I don't even think any of it's contrived. They don't even take a shot at telling you a cohesive story in this. I don't know what you're talking about. There is sincerity, but for no point, and no, I don't think it was particularly well done either. A couple, literally a couple good jokes. Yes, exactly. I think there was three really good jokes and some okay stuff, but this had nothing. It's had nothing, Curt. And it was Marty-centric. 3-2 feels like... And the more I'm talking, the more I feel like 3-2 is too high. I think my D- is too high, so I agree. I'm going to just, I'm just going to push us into the segment so that we can just lock in these numbers before they go any lower. Let's just continue to tell Curtis how wrong he is, okay? I don't think you lost your mind. You must be sleep deprived. I mean, a little bit. Probably not compared to you, Ryan, but... No, that's why I gave it too high of a score. My eyes are open now. Iconic American brands are often mimicked and copied around the world, but sometimes the knockoff proves way better than the original. I noticed in this week's episode there were a number of references to those, and you're going to guess which ones they are. It's a game I'm calling Knock On. Uh, what are we doing? So I'm going to describe for you, uh, an American thing and its foreign counterpart, and you're going to have to say what the thing is. So, like, Timu and whatever Timu's a knockoff of? Exactly. Okay. So, who wants to go first? I'd like to go first. Thank you, because I don't understand the game, so thank you. I don't know who's happening, but, uh, I'm probably going to say Timu. Enter this American brand and experience a sad, dilapidated ghost town. Try the Knock On, and you'll experience a modern, minimalist design aesthetic with affordable, trendy goods. Here, wait to hear Ryan's answer for this. I don't have a clue what you just asked. He, okay. Can you say the first bit again? I'll be a little bit more... No, no, no. Be vagin' weird. Whatever. It's fine. Let's just say it again. Enter this American brand and experience a sad, dilapidated ghost town. Try the Knock On, and you'll experience a modern, minimalist design aesthetic with affordable, trendy goods. I'd say the American brand that has a knock-off counterpart. Yes. Okay. All of these, for the record, are things that were in some way referenced in the show today. No, it wasn't, but whatever. Okay. Hollister. Hollister. When was Hollister mentioned in this episode? I don't know, Curt. I don't know what the hell you said to me. Can I steal it? You know what? Sure. Of course you can steal it. Is it Kmart? Of course it's Kmart. Yeah. Oh. Well, you get under a Kmart. They don't exist anymore. Point Brad. I looked it up. There are like three left. Okay. So now it's my turn. I think I got this game. That felt impossible. What is the, okay, what's the knock-off brand? Tell me about it. I did. What the fuck's it called? It's Kmart. It's K, there is a Kmart in another part of the world. You're going to now guess where? All I can get Kmart's not a knock-off brand. Is it a different company? It is technically a different company. What is happening? All right. So Ryan still goes now? He has to guess what country? Or is it me? Because I stole it. Good question. I think you stole it. I think you just, you've got it now. So you get to go. Great. Is this for more points? I'm going to go with my gut. Thailand. I'm going to say Kazakhstan for the reverse steal. Okay. Kmart, like the Kazakhstan Mart. Yeah. Hmm. I see what you're doing there. I think Brad's technically geographically closer. It was Australia. Wow. Sure. I think I am geographically closer. And you get a point for that because that's how this game is played now. Great. And now it's actually still my turn, right? Yeah. I mean, unless Ryan can steal. Let's go. This game is great. Is it because we're taking turns or because it's make it take it? No, it's because we're taking turns. That was your turn and I stole it. I think we should do make it take it style. I think it won't change anything. Great. I'll just keep going. Okay. Let's. I guess. I don't care if you think you're going to go 100% on this game. That'd be awesome. I'd be fine with that. I still don't know if I know the game yet. Both this American comedy classic and the Spanish language knock-on are about a father changing genders to be reunited with his kids. But while both of them won comedy Golden Globes, the former nabbed two Oscars to the originals won. It's Mrs. Doubtfire. It's Mrs. Doubtfire. Which I did forget was referenced. Right. You're guessing the knock-on. Everybody was going to get that there's Mrs. Doubtfire. What is the knock-on of Mrs. Doubtfire? Do you understand this game, Ryan? Not at all. Mrs. Blanchard's Fire. I would like to steal? Yes. Is it Mr. Doubtfire? Let me give you a hint. So this is a... Before it was the same company name. In this case, there's two different movie names. And it was an Oscar winner this year. How is that supposed to help us? What? The hell watches the Oscars. The Nora? That's the only one I remember. Is it a Nora? I would also have said a Nora. It's the only movie I knew. I'm going to go for a reverse steal again. Okay. You can have it. I don't remember any other movies that happened this year. Is it... Oh, is it Captain America Brave New World? Is that at the Oscars? Is it Deadpool? Is it Deadpool? That was why. Amelia Perez was the movie. Never even heard of it. What are you talking about, Curt? What are you going on about? It's a game. Well, how is Amelia Perez like Mrs. Doubtfire? Well, it sounds like it's much more of a drama. And it's much more serious. And it's about... I think it's about a legit trans person. But it is about a person changing their gender in order to get their kids back. I didn't see it, to be fair. We're sure we don't want Ryan just to sing a throat singing us guess what song. We're sure that's not the route. I'm really enjoying this game. I don't know if I did get the rules yet. Are we supposed to guess what country this happened in now? You are. Did Ryan get points? I'm actually confused. No points yet. Okay, got it. He can score points now by guessing the country name correctly. But isn't it still my turn? The country of what? The Oscars? No, no, no. It's a foreign language film. Oh, really? It was a Spanish language film. But I will say that may not be the hint you think it is. I'm not even sure how it's Ryan's turn. I don't know how it's my turn either. I didn't say it was Ryan's turn. I'm just saying you probably got both going to say. Brad, you go ahead. What is it? We both knew that you were trying to say it was my turn. I'm going to go with Brazil. Incorrect. Ryan, you can steal. Portugal. You both went with Portuguese as if that was what I was trying to lean you towards. France. It was a French film. Geographically closer. Suck it, Curt. Ha ha. And just for context, Mrs. Doubtfire, because I don't think we mentioned it in the episode, Mrs. Doubtfire is the movie that Daphne wanted to see. Is that what all this is about? Yeah, apparently. Whose turn is it now? Is it Ryan's turn? Uh, it's still Brad's turn. I didn't steal control back. That's right. Okay. I got this. All right. Visit this American brand to enjoy dried out heat lamp hot dogs and overpriced packaged goods. On the positive side, they also sell hope in the form of lottery tickets. Try the knock on if you want fresh, balanced, seasonal, and even healthy foods. Not to mention services like driver's license renewal, bill payment, and even paying taxes. So I think this is the same as the American brand name. My guess is going to be 7-Eleven. I mean, obviously it's about 7-Eleven, but that's clearly not the knock on brand. No, because there's 7-Elevens everywhere. Brad gets the point because it is a 7-Eleven. Yeah. Damn it. But do you know what country I'm referring? I'm going to go with, I feel like Japan. I'm going to go with Japan. You think they call it 7-Eleven in Japan? They call it 7-Eleven everywhere, right? They do. Yeah. What? They do, and that is another point for Brad. Brad's at 4 to Ryan's 0. You're about to lock him out. Did you guys get together and talk about this? What is happening? Ryan, I don't even understand the game. Why are you doing so well at it? I think you have an impossible to catch lead at this point. I think he does, but should we just let Ryan go first next time as a pity point? I think that's fair, and I don't think it'll matter. I don't think it'll be a pity point. I'm invoking this game's well-known rule of the pity point, and Ryan will get to answer first next. Once again, if I'm not getting a point, it's not a pity point, Curt. I'm still going to steal it. This American brand is a working class hero and a down-to-earth musical prodigy. The knock-on is much more colorful and a real hero to Daphne. Oh, I got this. It's Billy Joel and Elton John. Boom. Ryan's on the board. This is the first time you spoke English in this whole game. What is the country, though, that Elton John is from? England? England? Yes. Why does he get the easy ones? Yes. I'm on the board. Because if he didn't get the easy one, he wouldn't get any points. Well, fine. And it's to keep it. So this was supposed to be the tiebreaker, but now it's going to be the... He could get it for the tie if he gets the book right. This will just be for the break-even, Ryan. Okay. This American tradition is a November feast, but wouldn't you rather have a similar feast when it's not as cold out in October and on a Monday? Oh, yeah. It's Thanksgiving in Canada. We end the game on a tie. I hate you so much, Curtis. I mean, let's be fair. If I let you keep running the board, Brad, then Ryan wouldn't have spoken this whole segment. That's fine. It's fine. It's already been fine. Yeah. Well, you have to have a tiebreaker, Curt. Let's do... What is the brand that Timu's a knock-on of or knock-off? Wait. Wait. Time out, Curtis. They talked about Victoria's Secret, and you didn't do anything with Victoria's Secret? Oh, you should have done something with Victoria's Secret. Let me do that now. Let me look up if there is a knock-on for Victoria's Secret. And we have to guess the name? Okay. I doubt it's better than Victoria's Secret. Isn't it just Kmart? That's the whole joke. Well, that was the joke of a bad episode, so I don't know. Should we just continue to argue with Curtis about how bad this episode was? I don't think we talked about it enough. Oh, we're not returning to that. It was not good. It was not good, Curtis. Okay? It definitely wasn't 21 out of, what, 90 episodes we've seen or whatever. Out of your fucking mind. I thought he was going to be like, it's my number two. He might as well have said that. And then he goes, it's right next to the other flashback episode. You know, if he would have said 58, I would have been like, okay, that's a little low. You mean high, right? It's a bit too high. Yeah. It's a bit too high, but you know, whatever. Yeah. Agreed. I guess for this one, just can either of you name a lingerie brand outside of the United States? No. Victor's Closet. Oh, that's funny. We're going to say like Lux. I mean, is Lululemon technically an international company? I don't know. I mean, it's American biggest for sure. I don't know. That might be Canada. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't know if it is American. So Lululemon is a Canadian company recorded in Vancouver, but hold the phone. Hold on. Ryan answered first with Lux. Lux lingerie LTD registered in England. Boom. Good job, Ryan. Well, Ryan, you're the winner tonight. But can you tell us what to expect next week when we cover the previous episode of season nine, episode three, the first temptation of death. Daphne gets wooed by a Cheshire sheepherder. Woo woo. Is that different from a Cheshire cat? What do you mean Cheshire sheepherder? Well, yeah. The Cheshire sheepherder is a human from Cheshire who heard sheep. It's not a cat. Does he like, does his body disappear and he floats around? No, he's just from a city. I don't know what all the Alice in Wonderland stuff's about. Like you can just be from Cheshire. I think that's it. Like Cheshire. I don't think that's right. I don't know a lot about England, but it doesn't sound right. If you've ever had Lux lingerie, you would know that it's quality. Wow. I'm just staring at this lingerie now. Well, that will do it for us. Way to perv out at the end. Thanks to Kevin MacLeod for our theme music and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod. Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. For myself, Brian, and for Brad, Curtis has entered the domicile. Uncomfortable. A beer and Coke. When we were at the restaurant and he ordered it, the waitress was like, okay, a Coke and what kind of beer do you want? Because she thought he was ordering two drinks. I think he did. I think that is what happened. I eventually had to just say, please just get us a Coke and a Corona and an empty glass. And you're to the rest. Exactly. Because it was just like, this is the only way this is going to happen. And it's surprisingly not bad. I think we're going to have to try this out. We got to get Brad's horrible Coke slushy and 99 bananas and try that against the Coke and beer and see what happens. I'm famously not drinking alcohol this year, but I will tell you this. If we find a way to get together and have a lineup of weird concoctions. You'll break it? I will break it for that. You'll break your abstinence for that. Oh, wow. Absolutely. Wow. Breaking news for the pod. Important disclaimer. I'm not an alcoholic struggling with alcoholism. I just decided not to drink this year. Yeah, I don't know. That definitely proves your case. Everyone will believe you after that. You sound way more desperate now.
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Ryan hates Slurpees, Brad prefers Coca-Cola and Curtis prefers cherry. Brad recalls mixing Slurpees with 99 Bananas in high school, then trying cherry as another base. A later explicit callback establishes ownership of his Coke-and-banana story. Brad plans to return for free Slurpees on July 11. Curtis would accept a slushie but would not go out of his way for one, and mentions a nearby bar’s frozen drinks. This is an unscored discussion.
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Ryan says he has never given Courtney same-day surprise concert tickets and doubts she would enjoy the surprise. The hosts debate the awkward father-and-son hospital scene, whether Martin is stubborn or anxious about returning to work, and the story’s unfinished threads. Curtis suggests Niles may have arrived just before visiting hours ended. The Berber-carpet callback links Martin’s threat here to a later episode they have already reviewed. These are their interpretations, rather than new competitive prompts.
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Brad gives D−, finding good jokes but little story and an unsatisfying ending. Curtis ranks it #21 of 79, valuing the sincere performances despite the contrivance. Ryan revises an initial rating transcribed “5-3” to 3.2 at best, confirmed in the recording. Ryan then says even that feels high, and Brad says the same about D−, but neither supplies another rating before Curtis moves on.
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The appended conversation recalls ordering a Coke and beer that a server treated as two drinks. A proposed future comparison pits that mixture against Brad’s Coke Slurpee and 99 Bananas. Someone says they would break a voluntary year without drinking for a lineup of unusual concoctions. No taste test is played in this recording, and that speaker’s identity is not inferred.
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Comic episode moment
A request to demonstrate throat singing leads to “Where’s the singing?” and “That’s all I got.” Ryan makes nonverbal noises, not words, as confirmed in the recording. Guessing songs sung in this style is proposed as an unused closing-segment idea; it is not represented as a played guessing game. A later joke suggests returning to that idea.
Curtis has entered the domicile.
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Looking ahead
Ryan predicts that Daphne will be wooed by a Cheshire sheepherder. The others compare this to the Cheshire Cat, and Ryan explains that he means a human from Cheshire who herds sheep. The prediction is not verified here.
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