Creed II

We needed to do a better job with that proposal scene and the post-proposal sex. I think there should have been a little bit more foreplay. I think there could have been a little bit more effort that Adonis put into the proposal. And taking that all in, you know, there should have been a bigger reaction from Bianca.

Action: We needed to do a better job with that proposal scene and the post-proposal sex. I think there should have been a little bit more foreplay. I think there could have been a little bit more effort that Adonis put into the proposal. And taking that all in, you know, there should have been a bigger reaction from Bianca.

Answer qualification: Correct.

Proposed rewrite: put more effort into the proposal, foreplay and Bianca’s reaction.

And then he gives this beautiful speech that he's prepared. And that's when the reveal is that Bianca didn't hear any of it because she didn't ever hearing aid it or whatever. And then he winds up having as awkward a proposal as Rocky, but on accident, not because he's just awkward.

Action: And then he gives this beautiful speech that he's prepared. And that's when the reveal is that Bianca didn't hear any of it because she didn't ever hearing aid it or whatever. And then he winds up having as awkward a proposal as Rocky, but on accident, not because he's just awkward.

Answer qualification: Well, I don't think we need to see it a second time because he really only proposes once. He only gives the speech once. And then he does do, like, a really polished job, but she just doesn't hear it.

Proposed rewrite: Adonis delivers a beautiful proposal speech that Bianca cannot hear, making the proposal accidentally awkward.

19:13–19:17: Not only do I also want to give a punchy uppy award, almost for the same reason.

19:17–19:19: I did have a problem with the proposal itself, though.

19:19–19:22: And actually, it's more the scene that precedes it.

19:22–19:25: So Rocky gives some advice on how to propose.

19:25–19:28: And Rocky's like, yeah, my proposal was crazy, awkward, and weird.

19:29–19:33: And then Adonis goes on to have his own incredibly awkward and weird proposal.

19:34–19:39: And I think what would have made the whole thing more fun and more interesting and also

19:39–19:44: just a better character building for their relationship, making them seem much more connected,

19:45–19:50: would I think it'd be interesting if Rocky says, I have this really awkward and terrible

I want to give my old Rami Kami award out because I thought you could have ripped this proposal scene out and put it in any rom-com and it would work just fine. I thought it was really great.

Method: We're going to debut the wild card here.

Answer: I want to give my old Rami Kami award out because I thought you could have ripped this proposal scene out and put it in any rom-com and it would work just fine. I thought it was really great.

Response context: Court watched this movie like a week after I proposed to her. So it felt very relatable to me.

Rami Kami: a highlight for the romantic-comedy-style material.

Creed's mom.

Answer: Creed's mom.

Action: She manages to smell out that pregnancy based on some weird witch moves. I don't know how she does it, but she is aware before Bianca that she's pregnant. And throughout the film, but in particular, this is the moment, the pregnancy test thing. But throughout the film, she's going to end up being the one to bring Rocky back into the fold, I believe.

Answer qualification: I'm not counting Creed 3. It's a fresh slate for MVP in every movie. I'm happy to award it to her.

MVP: Adonis’s mother detects the pregnancy.

Creed's mom can detect pregnancy from across the fucking table.

Answer: Creed's mom can detect pregnancy from across the fucking table.

Low-light: the mother’s pregnancy-detection scene.

Same exact reason.

Answer: Same exact reason.

Low-light: the same pregnancy-detection scene, for the same reason.

28:40–28:45: You know, this is a low-light award for me.

28:45–28:47: Because what the fuck?

28:47–28:53: Creed's mom can detect pregnancy from across the fucking table.

28:54–28:55: Same exact award.

28:56–28:57: Same exact reason.

28:57–28:58: I love it.

28:58–29:01: I love that we've picked the same moment, all three of us.

29:01–29:03: And you two are like in full agreement.

29:03–29:04: This sucked.

29:04–29:05: This is bullshit.

29:05–29:05: I hate this.

29:06–29:08: And I'm like, you get an MVP for this.

But the image of a man underwater punching nothing is just... It made me laugh out loud. It looked ridiculous.

Method: Don't want to telegraph the end, but I'm giving up my highlight.

Answer: But the image of a man underwater punching nothing is just... It made me laugh out loud. It looked ridiculous.

Answer qualification: And I am certain that that is a very real workout, a very tough workout.

Unintentionally funny: Adonis punching underwater.

The whole section is fucking mid.

Method: No, we'll use this as a wild card.

Answer: The whole section is fucking mid.

Answer qualification: So this is the one that does not get an award. You can wild card it, but you have to make it some kind of an award. It sounds like you got really a punchy uppie. But you already used your punchy uppie. So it's a mid.

Mid-light wildcard: the whole block of the movie, not just the workout montage.

33:16–33:17: Sneha, what's your award?

33:17–33:24: For this one, I think the most memorable part for this section for me truly was him doing

33:24–33:25: weights underwater.

33:26–33:33: Like, I might consider taking my five-pound weight and then going in my pool and see what

33:33–33:34: happens.

33:34–33:39: Chances are the weights are going to end up staying there because I'm not working out

33:39–33:39: that way.

33:40–33:43: Sneha, we can't wait to follow your blog of you punching underwater.

33:43–33:44: But what is your award?

33:45–33:50: There was nothing good about this that I felt like it was award-worthy.

33:50–33:53: So this is the one that does not get an award.

33:53–33:54: Well, you don't get to do that.

33:54–33:56: No, we'll use this as a wild card.

33:56–33:57: I think that's fine.

33:57–33:59: You can wild card it, but you have to make it some kind of an award.

33:59–34:00: All right.

34:01–34:01: Let's see.

34:02–34:06: I'm going to keep it as my, not a low light, not a highlight, but my mid light.

34:06–34:08: It's just, it's super mid.

34:08–34:10: It's, it's, it's not doing anything for me.

34:10–34:11: I love that.

34:11–34:12: The whole section is mid.

34:12–34:15: The whole section is fucking mid.

My hot take is that Michael B. Jordan is just he's just not quite street enough for Creed.

Answer: My hot take is that Michael B. Jordan is just he's just not quite street enough for Creed.

Answer qualification: Jordan's acting is phenomenal again in this movie. That was just something I clocked here. That's all I'm saying.

Hottie: Michael B. Jordan is “not street enough.”

And then after the birth, they do the hearing test and Adonis is just tearing up because they can't tell if the child can hear or not. I thought they captured that really well.

Method: This is wild card too.

Answer: And then after the birth, they do the hearing test and Adonis is just tearing up because they can't tell if the child can hear or not. I thought they captured that really well.

Answer qualification: Correct.

Teary wildcard: Amara’s hearing test and Adonis’s reaction.

And that, this is exactly, I give Creed the MVP in this movie.

Answer: And that, this is exactly, I give Creed the MVP in this movie.

Action: All of them felt very, very earned here. And you're still like, it's just an emotional scene to be in. And it's tough, and he does such a good job. But then I also, like, as a bonus for why he gets the MVP nod, when he is, like, a broken version of himself, and he's, like, just so muted and doesn't react very big.

MVP: Adonis’s emotional performance.

No, I'm going to award Rocky my punchy award.

Answer: No, I'm going to award Rocky my punchy award.

Action: I wanted to punch him because right before Amara is born, Rocky takes a moment to tell Adonis that he shouldn't choose the name Amara because it's, quote, too complicated. Like, you don't have to criticize the name they've already chosen.

Answer qualification: Like, I can't tell if they're trying to make Rocky racist or if they're just trying to do a generational thing.

Punchy: Rocky’s reaction to Amara’s name.

At this point in time, we know that the match is in Russia. Why are we training in fucking Mojave Desert?

Answer: At this point in time, we know that the match is in Russia. Why are we training in fucking Mojave Desert?

Answer qualification: It left me confused.

Hottie: why train in the Mojave Desert for a match in Russia?

I think this was a weak montage.

Answer: I think this was a weak montage.

Action: It doesn't seem like he's training. It doesn't, it was not engaging to watch. And it seemed like kind of a weak ass workout.

Answer qualification: I mean, it probably does color it, but I still just think like, I don't know. I was, I was kind of annoyed to be bored by this montage.

Low-light: the weak desert training montage.

45:14–45:18: Related to the desert, I would like to award my low light.

45:18–45:20: I think this was a weak montage.

45:20–45:25: I feel like maybe I'm spoiled by Creed 3, and what a fucking epic montage we got in that

45:25–45:26: movie with, like, pulling planes and shit.

45:26–45:31: Also, part of it might be that, like, what Creed needs to train on is, like, taking a

45:31–45:35: beating, because we haven't talked about it, but Drago is, like, twice his height, three

45:35–45:36: times his weight.

45:36–45:37: Like, he's huge.

I, I wish that the guys we met were way meaner to Creed, right? But I just would have made them way more punishing characters. I would have just raised all of, all of the energy, all of the heat, all of the problems that he's facing. I would have made them feel a lot, lot heavier.

Action: I, I wish that the guys we met were way meaner to Creed, right? But I just would have made them way more punishing characters. I would have just raised all of, all of the energy, all of the heat, all of the problems that he's facing. I would have made them feel a lot, lot heavier.

Proposed punchy-uppy: make the desert trainers meaner.

I'm going to give my MVP to Ivan Drago Sr., the dad.

Answer: I'm going to give my MVP to Ivan Drago Sr., the dad.

Action: But he saw his son being on the brink of being badly hurt or worse, dead. And he decided to throw the towel.

Answer qualification: I was totally surprised. This is super satisfying for me. And the fact that, you know, the father-son bond is beyond just, hey, I want you to win and avenge my failure to I want you to live because I love you and I care for you.

MVP: Ivan Drago throws in the towel.

Because this is also my award, is I gave it a highlight because I thought when he throws in the towel, like, I thought it was like a tearjerker moment for me.

Answer: Because this is also my award, is I gave it a highlight because I thought when he throws in the towel, like, I thought it was like a tearjerker moment for me.

Answer qualification: This is surprising.

Highlight: Ivan Drago throws in the towel.

51:46–51:56: Like, I feel like the entire film set up Ivan as this single-minded, win-or-else kind of father.

51:56–52:03: And I appreciate the twist of he's the one who throws in the towel, but I'm not sure they earned it.

52:03–52:07: Like, it felt a little like that's not the character we've seen for two hours.

52:08–52:08: Yeah.

52:08–52:14: I would have thought that, too, but I don't like Ivan is not as bad a dad, I think, as you guys made him out to be.

52:14–52:15: Hence my MVP.

52:15–52:21: I thought the worst of him, but he turned out to be he wants his son to live.

52:21–52:28: Because this is also my award, is I gave it a highlight because I thought when he throws in the towel, like, I thought it was like a tearjerker moment for me.

52:28–52:32: I was like, oh, my God, Ivan Drago's throwing in the towel for his kid.

52:32–52:32: Like, holy.

52:33–52:37: And, like, after all the things that we built up leaving here, I was like, this is a lot to take in.

This was a bad ending.

Answer: This was a bad ending.

Action: I think Drago has the better underdog story. This is a terrible arc for Rocky. And I think while it works out in the end for them, I feel like it's completely breaking the story they set up.

Answer qualification: I did not kind of clock that, but that's a really good point. when they blast the classic Rocky gotta fly now theme, it's hard not to want to stand up and cheer hearing that in full orchestral score. It was beautiful.

Hottie: dissatisfaction with the ending.

54:33–54:44: And the fact that, you know, the father-son bond is beyond just, hey, I want you to win and avenge my failure to I want you to live because I love you and I care for you.

54:45–54:45: Yeah.

54:45–54:50: And I think I think from a fight standpoint, it's not a satisfying climax to the fight.

54:50–54:50: Right.

54:50–54:54: It's a shocking thing that they do where they continue it past.

54:54–54:59: Victor's ends it just like clearly with no gas, clearly about to be punished where you just go.

54:59–55:02: So that's not at all how I assumed this fight was going to go.

55:03–55:05: So it's not like satisfying from a fight standpoint.

55:05–55:10: But from like a movie arc standpoint, I thought it was very, for exactly the points that Sneha brought up.

55:10–55:10: Okay.

55:10–55:11: You're not going to like this.

55:11–55:12: My hottie.

55:12–55:13: My hot take.

55:13–55:13: Oh no.

55:14–55:15: This was a bad ending.

55:15–55:18: Curtis is on the other side of the spectrum today.

55:18–55:19: This is the hottest thing you've ever had.