Legal Tender Love and Care

Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight we are covering Season 8, Episode 6, Legal, Tender, Love, and Care, which originally aired on November 28, 2000. Is this when we find out Helen Santos was a shady lawyer before becoming First Lady? We'll find out. I'm your host Curtis Sheck. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer, it's Ryan Sansone. Curtis, um, suey, chop suey. I'm feeling chop suey tonight. Uh, alright, um, what the fuck? It's like sue, and then I'm like, it's like, we're gonna sue people, and then like, I'm eating, I'm hungry, so like, I think chop suey's a food. Well, we'll keep workshopping it. In the meantime, also with us is a chilly guy who should never get his license back, it's Bradley Kirkston. Thank you, thank you. I am a chilly guy. Tell me chilly's not a food, Curt. Try. Try me. It is. It's a food. I don't understand the attack, but sure. Lawyered. Hi, Brad. Hey, buddy. We're now on a streak of two episodes in a row where we have random guest stars that were also on West Wing. Let's keep this going. Let's get some other random West Wing. You know what? She did look familiar. Yeah, it's Terry Polo. I was trying to remember if she was just in a different Frasier episode. No, she was in a lot of the West Wing, and a lot of other things. How much? Because I have seen it all. How much was she in? She's Santos' wife. Oh, yes! He put her through a bed at one point. I want to thank you for also not listening at all to Curtis's introduction, but he literally said that. I think it was very evident that I didn't pay one single bit of attention. Hey, in fairness, Brad, he was working real hard to come up with that chop suey zinger. I think it's probably going to become a podcast mainstay, so thank God I wasn't listening. Well, we did listen to this episode because we know that Frasier is going to feel that his lawyer overcharges him in this episode, but what should we be overcharging people for? Oh, I have a good one. I have a good one that you guys are going to be so mad at me for. All right, Curt, why don't you go first? Oh, okay. I didn't want to go first because I don't know what the vibe is. The vibe is money, Curt. The vibe is green. The vibe is to get rich. I don't offer services to anyone, but my answer is going to be my data. I feel like every company seems to want to give me cookies so they can take my data, and I feel like I should be invoicing them for that. I should get a cut. Why would we start paying you? We already have your data. I'm sorry, are you Google? What are you saying? I'm part of the corporate elite, sure. Why would we start paying you for this? Here's what I think, honestly. I think if I started sending very official looking invoices, I feel like some of these companies are just going to run it through their accounts payable. They're not going to think about it. They're just going to send the cash. Oh, that's fun. Some people got weak APs. I'm with you. I like that plan. I don't think that's what the question was going for. You're just literally billing people for no reason now, but I like it. It's not no reason. They've taken my data and they're selling it. I think I'm entitled to a cut. Okay. You're not. Well, what do you want a cut of, Ryan? Chop Suey. Oh my God. Are you opening a restaurant now? I could. You know what? I wasn't going to say this, but I could. I recently failed to make pancakes with Bisquick, but like the hero I am, I powered through and I learned to make pancakes without Bisquick or without self-rising flour. So I could make made from scratch pancakes for some reason. The flex of I failed at Bisquick pancakes is wild. Failed so hard. You wouldn't believe it. Failed so hard and was like, I'm so determined to get pancakes right then literally the next week. And then things were going so poor. In fact, my first attempt with non-Bisquick pancakes, instead of using flour, I used powdered sugar. Powered through. I had to clean the pan twice to get over this fiasco. I'm sorry. You used the amount of flour you needed. You put that much powdered sugar? Uh-huh. Which does not like flour at all. It looks like flour. It does not behave on the pan like flour. You could put it on the pancakes at the end. That might be okay. Well, we tried to do the powder first and whew, that's not what you want for a hot pan. In fact, I went very hot, almost lit the house on fire, but didn't. And that overcame it and made my own pancakes. So I could charge at least $10 for that. I don't know who's buying, but sure. They were good. Court said they're good. She's like, there's not enough vanilla extract in here, but they're good. I love that. You're like, you're like, I get overcharged. I got a glowing recommendation that I use too little vanilla, but they're fine. I think I can add vanilla next time. I think I can figure it out. I figured out how to do without self-rising flour, Curt. Next time he's going to forget to put any sugar in it, he's only going to put in that amount of vanilla. That would be fun. Now that I'm into kitchen science, I would love to see what happens. Not to belabor this, but did you have a different answer you were going to go with before chopped suey came into the mix? No, no. Totally forgot what the question was. Great. Brad, we were on bated breath wondering what you're going to be overcharging. For my ability to gamble other people's money. I want people to pay me to gamble their money. You know, sometimes people can't go to the casino. I will gamble their money for them, and they just have to pay me an hourly rate, like $300 an hour, and I will gamble their money for them at the casino. I'll grant you this. That is overcharging. This is essentially what a mutual fund is. A hundred percent. It's not unheard of. I mean, there are people that actually do this, that they are professional gamblers for people, but I'm going to be that. No, there's not. No, why? What are you talking about? There's proxies that go to the casino for people and will play for their money. Someone said, I want to spend money, but I don't want to do all of the things. I just want the results. What do you think money laundering is? Do you understand the basics of it? Placement, layering, integration? That's not the same thing at all. You give cash to somebody to gamble the money so it looks legit. It's a way to bond your money. Wait, are you a money launderer or are you a gambler? What's the service, Brandon? I'm a gambler. It's legal money laundering. If they can get Capone, they can get you. Look, the advertised service is gambling assistant, but the underlining impression is there's going to be some money laundering. A hundred percent. Anytime you pay somebody in cash, essentially it's money laundering. Nope, that's not what money laundering is again, but sure. Anytime. I don't really get how the money is getting laundered in this situation. Anytime. Anytime. Brad famously, he's always been very outspoken about paying all tips to waitstaff in cash. I'm sorry. I like the idea that his whole life he's felt like secretly like, ooh, I'm kind of a bad boy. I've been money laundering. He snickers to himself. He's like, I'm such a money launderer. I always have a lot of cash on me because you never know when there's going to be a gambling emergency. Well, guys, I feel like I'm having a Frasier emergency. Should we get into this episode? Hey, that wasn't too bad. Yeah, getting better. I mean, he's been in a cold street for a long time, but hey, this one wasn't too bad. My transition is equivalent in quality to a good season eight episode. We open with an elevator going up the Space Needle. Daphne's ex, Donnie, is suing the whole family. When Frasier's lawyer, Abby, arrives, she announces the lawsuit has been dropped. She also gives a smitten Frasier permission to ask her out. I gotta tell you, this was another just wild start to a Frasier episode. We actually haven't had one of these in a while where it's just a very foreign feeling the way we started this, where we know Frasier and for some reason Daphne is suing someone. And then we've kind of quickly learned that it was Donnie who took me a while, but I realized we have actually met him before. Like there was a lot to process here. Ryan, do you want to just point out all the things you did learn in this little, in the first part of the scene? Yeah, we learned that Marty had an office in the mall for quite a long time. No, no, no. He knew a lawyer who had an office in the mall. Oh, I missed the line. I thought he was saying he had it. No, that whole point, good job. That whole point was he was trying to say that his lawyer, that Frasier's lawyer is too expensive, and he knew a really good mall lawyer. And that makes a lot of sense. It makes more sense than Marty was a mall cop for a long time. Yes, 100%. Okay, what else did you learn? Um, that's it. A case is rarely elementary, but always evidentiary. Another Crane Boy's mystery solved. I mean, no, you learned that the guy was suing them. Oh, yes. I learned Donnie was suing them. And then the lawsuit was dropped. I don't know. What else was I supposed to learn? There is a weird thing with that, because you're right, like, you enter this episode, clearly a lot has happened, and we are, like, they're treating us like we already know all this stuff. It seems like a lot's going to happen from the previous episode, yeah. Yeah, but what's interesting is the way in which, like, this scene wraps it up. Like, I know there's some more, like, stuff that's going to happen with Donnie later, but in effect, the dilemma the family's been facing ends here in almost like a dea sec machina. Like, it's just like a, oh, yeah, this horrible thing we're all fretting about, and we can't, we don't know how we're going to survive it. It's fine. It's over. And we've seen them wrap up, like, shorter storylines at the first scene of an episode before. This is not the first time that's happened. This is the most chaotic, where it was like we learned something and solved it within, like, three breaths. Yeah, but you're right. This show does love to just sort of abandon storylines as quickly as possible. You know what, Brad? I think, I didn't note it, so I don't know if it was this scene, but I think we also learned that Donnie is a bulldog. This stinks! This is Tom the S! Which I couldn't remember at the time if we'd met him, but it didn't make, it was confusing. Because as a lawyer, a bulldog is a lawyer. They don't specify, but that's what I assumed. Yes, because he's also a lawyer, yes. Correct. Wait, wait, I'm sorry. Did you think he was an actual dog? Was this like, well, I can't see Eddie, so maybe this human character that was engaged to Daphne, maybe it was a dog, I don't know. Hilarious. Like, our friend Vitaly is a bulldog when he plays baseball. Yes, exactly. No, like, he's a bulldog anytime that you need something, like, he's gonna step up and just, like, hound someone until they give it to you. Yeah. That's my friend Vitaly. Yes. I do have a question, Ryan. Do you think when everybody wants Sherry, Daphne is eager to drink Sherry, do you think this is a result of her relationship with Niles, that she's getting into Sherry, or do you think it's just the stress of wanting any alcohol? I think she's just so fat she'll take anything. Now, you just shape up and treat Daphne with respect. Oh, see, I thought, Curtis, I thought it was just a rule of working for the Crane family that you had to drink Sherry. I mean, it's possible she already likes Sherry at this point, but it seemed like an out-of-character to me. I don't remember her doing that anywhere in the last few seasons. I don't think we've seen her drink Sherry before. And she was eager, certainly. It was unusual. Why did the lawyer come over for the—if the thing was dropped, why did she show up to the apartment? It seemed like her and Frasier had been flirting with each other, so she wanted a chance to see him. I think logistically, she is coming over for some kind of a strategy session. She's actively in the process of helping them work through their lawyering. And the reason that she announces this thing, she says she just got the call. So she got the call, like, in the lobby, basically. Yeah. Okay. Actually, I figured it out. As soon as I asked it, I knew. She just wanted to charge them. She's known about this for two days. Oh, that's a great point. I liked how much Frasier was a mess in this early going. Like, this is one of the most flustered we've seen him in the whole series. Before he finds out he's not getting sued anymore? No. I think it was actually after he's still very flustered. Like, he cannot handle interacting with Abby. Oh, he's so into her. Yeah, you mean the flirting. Yeah, the flirting is very awkward. Very awkward. I don't even know if it's flirting, but it's definitely awkward. Well, this scene is not even that long, but most of the scene is him just taking off the jacket and putting the jacket back on her. Yes. I really like when he hugs her and then gets back in line while she hugs other people to get a new hug. No, that's funny. I was a little surprised she wound up, like, being into him because in this moment, instead of, like, accepting the extra hug, she sort of dodges it. She blows up his spot, but I think she does actually give the hug. Ah, you again? Yeah, until we get to the elevator, it was very unclear if she was actually interested in him. I don't think there was any real indication in the apartment that she was into him at all. That's what I mean. I was like, oh, I'm not 100% sure how this went. And then we get to the elevator. And that was very sudden, too. I liked it, though. I liked the, hey, if you're going to ask me out, you're running out of time. Yeah. It was solid. And then he gives that goofy smile, which I enjoyed. Classic Frasier. Oh, you enjoy his weirdo smile. He does this once in a while where he's just like, a lady's interacted with me and he acts like it's never happened before and he doesn't know how to handle it. It's uncomfortable for me. Oh, interesting. Obviously awkward, but I think it's, I don't know, a little endearing. Well, tell it to the judge, Curt. You know what I just discovered recently? Podcasts. There's like a billion of them and they just keep coming. Roz is borrowing some classical CDs from Frasier to smartify Alice. Niles showers Daphne in gifts and Frasier is alarmed to find out how much Abby charged him. Another one where I felt very off kilter by seeing Marty in whatever the hell he was wearing. It was apparently a suit. I don't know what it was. I also think the back to back apartment scenes, we don't get those too often. So that was a little interesting. We get them all the time. No. That does happen. If anywhere we're going to do it, it's the apartment. I know you're mad we didn't go to Nervosa, but it's like, it's going to happen sometimes. Marty doesn't leave. If you want Marty in the scene, it's in the apartment. Yeah, it's true. We haven't seen him at the radio station in a long time. Why is Marty going to this dinner anyway? They said in the first scene it was the whole family was in the room. Why? Here's what happened. So Frasier in the previous scene offered to take her to dinner as like a celebration dinner. And she read it as like, oh, cool, the whole family's coming. And they all agreed to go. And Frasier meant it to be a one-on-one, but it turned into a group thing. And then later when she convinced him he needed to ask her out, I think he went on a couple of dates with her solo. And this is like kind of the third date, but it's not really a date. It's like a group hang celebrating the victory. They say, yeah, that's your time they've hung out with each other. Yeah, is what they say. Okay. So I joked about it in the first scene, but what is this cookie flower situation? What are we, what is happening with the thing Niles brings to Daphne? I loved it. I don't know if this is the thing you can actually get in real life, but it was very cool. And for the audience that doesn't watch the show. Before you explain what it is, I want you all to picture what Curt thinks is very cool. Niles gifts Daphne a box that looks like it will be a box of flowers. But when she opens it, she pulls out flower stems, but on the ends of the stems are not flowers. Instead, they are big, delicious looking cookies. Very big cookies. I think they're chocolate chip cookies, aren't they? I think they're very big chocolate chip cookies. Sweets for my sweets. Let's go put these in some milk. My only issue with this is the level of crispiness you would need to get that cookie to, to stay on the stem, is crispier than I like my cookies. My issue with this is, is this a fat thing? Have we already set this up? Or is this just the weirdest out of nowhere gift Niles has ever given anyone? Or could this be the, you know, the beginning of it? Could it all start from the cookie flowers? That was my guess. Because we don't get a lot of fat jokes or fat references here. We just get the touch of Niles's feeding her directly. And that, that to me seemed like we're going to tip our toes into this. She's turning fat storyline, but it didn't go whole ham yet. Which I think if they did this subtly and slowly, maybe, maybe they could have, it could have been somewhat fun. But I mean, next time this gets addressed, it's already monstrous. So if this is the start, it's so weird. And I'm guessing it isn't. Yeah. All right. Last question. Is Frasier rich or is he broke? What are we, why are we, why are we getting the actual number figures and why is he squabbling with a girl he's super into? Frasier's the type of guy that doesn't like to feel like he's taking advantage of. And I think he saw those numbers and felt like, oh my God, that's so expensive. Like she's taking advantage of me. Also, the way we quote unquote know she's taking advantage of him is that Daphne's lawyer charged half. Why isn't Frasier paying for Daphne's lawyer? Why don't they have the same lawyer? My guess is he would have the best. And he found this woman and probably heard good things about her and that's why he hired her. I don't think it was one lawsuit. I don't think it was just, I'm suing this group of people. I think he was suing Frasier for something and he was suing separately Daphne for something. Oh, it was definitely the same lawsuit because when they announced that it's dropped, it's, that's it. Well, he dropped all of them. No, Curtis is right. Okay. Well then why would it, why would it matter to compare one for one with what the lawyers did if it's a different lawsuit entirely? Well, that's fair. We may find that answer out in the episode beforehand. We may, or this all may be nonsense and he should have bought her lawyer. I think it's a valid criticism of the episode because there is some logistics of how the lawyering all work that doesn't quite add up. But specifically on the point of Frasier being a wealthy guy who spends money frivolously, but kind of suddenly aghast at being charged a lot for a lawyer. We have seen this before. Like I think the spa episode where he's like shocked at how expensive that spa is that he and Niles wants to go to. Yes, but he wasn't trying to bang the spa receptionist. Right. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think it's so much that he can't afford it. It's like the feeling when you go to a mechanic, like I went to a mechanic recently, they quoted $2,400 for some work that needed done. And just on its face, that seemed like too much money. And so I took it to another shop for a second opinion, got the job done for like under a thousand. If you were trying to get with the mechanic, you would not be worried about this. But he can't help himself because he's Frasier. But why? The same reason he makes that stupid smile. He just can't help himself. I mean, we've seen how many episodes of him obsessing over things that he should be able to let go of, but can't. Yes, but almost never has it been involving with someone he might get involved with. At the end of the season, he has a whole thing between him and Lana and that other woman. That's different. He wanted Lana. If he wanted Daphne's lawyer, maybe this would be a different conversation. We don't know that he didn't. At a celebratory dinner, Abby takes a client call and carelessly overcharges. Donnie arrives to announce his new fiance. Again, we could just get another just unusual scene. Niles and Daphne were very odd out the gate. Spooky. Marty's trying to snip at Abby and she's just cutting him off and crushing him. That was fun. How many lives does it take to screw in a light bulb? I don't know. Depends on how many cops planted it there. He knows this is a woman his son wants to get with. Why is he taking shots at lawyers? Because if the way Frazier couldn't handle it, Marty really couldn't handle it. Remember, Marty egged on Frazier for being like, you're getting taken for a ride. Right. He hates probably lawyers because they probably sued him for being a bad cop. But like also he hates getting taken for a ride. I mean, I like her clap back. She's very honest. Like that's the thing. Like I think she rides a great line of being a little bit shady and feeling like, oh, she's a sleazy person. Like she's overcharging. She does some stuff later. But also like she is charming and she is like kind of fun. Like I think she's an interesting character in that way. And intellectually, she's on Frazier's level. Totally. No, she's above Frazier. Well, that's fair. She is definitely the most fun potential suitor that Frazier's had. I think it's between her and Lana. Like the idea that the women are suiting Frazier. In this case, you know, she wears a suit. True. Power suit. A real power suit. Are you wearing lady clothes? Those look like lady pants. No, this is a power suit. So we'll see if it comes off later. Also, a menu gets lit on fire. I forget what led to that. That was fun. When Donnie walks in, Niles isn't paying attention and he lights his menu on fire. Okay. And that's another thing. I thought we were meeting Donnie again. You know, I couldn't remember that we'd met him before. And like when I first saw him, I was like, I definitely know that guy. Do I know him from Frazier or do I know him from stuff? It took great effort, effort to bring you here. I wish to leave. But all we know of him is he's a bulldog. And then he starts doing like the airplane thing. And he's actually like very jovial and fun. It was a lot. Again, really hard to get settled this whole life. This is a very awkward scene because they're first trying to hide from Donnie, which is what leads Niles to accidentally set his menu on fire. And when Donnie sees them, he's got this energy of like trying to be like friendly and charming. But like everybody, there's such an elephant in the room that everybody's just sort of on edge. Like 24 hours ago, he was suing them. Yeah, right. It just doesn't jive. It doesn't jive at all. Like it's going to be really, really weird to see some of these next few episodes because he's got just the way we talk about him off screen and the way we see him on screen do not match at all. Well, in the last time we saw him from the upside down, right, he was sort of a little bit desperate to get back with Daphne. Like he was still very into her and a little obsessed with her. And in this scene, they go on their celebratory dinner and he just happens to run into them with his fiance. I really wondered if this was some kind of a stalking situation. Expand. That's not how the episode plays out. Oh, but give me your theory. How could he possibly have known they were going here? Well, I did not have a explanation for that. But presumably he knows where Daphne and Frasier lives. If he was stalking them, I don't think it would be that hard for him to know they went to this restaurant. But it is it would be very weird for him to do that. Obviously, it's tough to stalk someone anyway is really tough to bring your significant other stalking with you. That's that's a tough sell. I didn't even trust that that woman was actually his fiance. Like I was not sure how this was going to go down. I did not trust Donnie enough to trust that everything he said was on the up and up. I thought there could be some misleading going on. Even though everything we saw from him, he was great. He just seemed very comfortable. I'm saying at the beginning when he shows up, I'm like, why is he there? That's fair. OK, I got you. By the end of the episode, it's pretty crystal clear that is not where this episode was going. Definitely. I just got to say I'm going to say now we're going to address it early. Marty was he was reasonable again. I think the Valentine's are flowing today. Be sure and make the three ring sign. Ask the man for Valentine beer and Valentine ale. Oh, one more thing. The laws of your community are enforced for your protection. Obed them. I would put this back in the sort of normal guy territory. I don't think he was harsh and I don't think he was like great, but he was he definitely didn't cross the line into Dark Marty. So Ryan, that's that's a upgrade. He's got it. I mean, as soon as Daphne gets the bouquet of cookies and he doesn't call her fat, that's like a huge start. And then we go through a dinner and he's he gets clapped back from Abby. And then he's still good after that. Like he's just a regular human, which is exciting to see. Yeah. Even his like laughing at what a sucker Frazier is. Like even that stuff is sort of in service of I don't want my son to get screwed over. Like I want to warn him that this is, you know, it's not cruel. Yeah. His lines. I'm he wants to pay for it. He goes, don't worry, son. You already are. And that's kind of true. It's fine. We get a title card going up. Despite a boat party causing him nausea, Niles rides the elevator several times, serving as the sounding board for everyone's plot lies. Going up, Frazier talks about his email demanding an itemized bill. Niles really, you know, tells Frazier he's not feeling well. And within 10 seconds, Frazier turns it into all about him. And that's when he starts talking about how he's getting ripped off. He doesn't actually care about Niles feeling sick. He just wanted someone to ride the elevator with so he complained about being ripped off. To be fair, if someone says I'm feeling sick, your first thought isn't, oh, you better avoid the elevator. That's not usually a thing that sets people off. No, usually people would say, oh, is there anything I can do for you? Not let me tell you how I got ripped off. He didn't seem that sick when we got onto the elevator. He seemed like he'd be able to make it to the apartment just fine. You might be right. You still would ask a couple of questions. It was that first step when he gets in there and he goes, oh, it's kind of swaying. David Pierce does a very good job of not only acting legitimately nauseous, but ramping it up as the scene progresses. Oh, yeah. We're just displaying David Hyde Pierce's talents here, and this is a great use of him. Going down, Daphne worries for Donnie and is off to make amends. She wanted to have a proper goodbye. Maybe because Niles was sick. He was pretty cool about it. To be fair, it's because he was sick. And I don't know, why is she losing her mind here? This is a weird reaction. This would make you question things. You have to say goodbye to him because you found out he's getting married. What are you talking about? We don't really know the details of what happened between them, but it's clear that she feels some sense of guilt and regret about how she treated Donnie and wants to have some closure beyond the lawsuit is dropped. So I think part of it is that, and part of it is she genuinely thinks, like she said in the other scene, that it's the rebound. She worries that he is rushing into a marriage with somebody he doesn't know that well because he's so been damaged by her actions. But she did not try to broach that bridge in the restaurant. I think she could have at least went over and met the new lady. No, I think in that awkward context, she didn't know what to say or how to react. She was just uncomfortable. I think it makes sense that you would need time to reflect. And after reflecting, she's like, I need to go talk to him. Going up, Roz recounts Alice's dizzy dance routine to classical music. I thought this was just a, yeah, okay, we're doing the bit. You know, it was like kind of funny and so weird for Roz to actually be doing this. They had Roz, they had to do something with her, so they gave her this small little bit. I feel like this is where the routine sort of fell apart for me. Like, it's clear what they're doing and it can be fun, but this is where it's like, why is she going to Frazier's house if Frazier isn't even going to be there? Like, what is her business at Frazier's house? Why would she insist Niles get back in the elevator with her? Like, the whole thing felt a little contrived. I'm not worried about any of that. I thought the contriveness was the actual stuff she was saying. It's like, you're going way too hammy with this. Like, he's already feeling sick. We don't have to then, you know, go all out and be like, oh, she's spinning and spinning and getting dizzy. I have to, too over the top for me. Also, it hadn't related to the episode. Like, everything else had related to the episode. Well, it's related to the classical music. Oh, shit, I forgot about that one. Yeah, yeah. It's a deep sea plot, but she is doing classical music to make Alice smart and borrowing it from Frazier. And this was how she was dancing to that music. In my defense, it wasn't interesting at all. No. No. Again, that's what I say. It's just another reason to get her in the episode. It's fine. This is one of the worst shoehorns of Roz. Yeah. Going down, Frazier has been summoned to see Abby and is nervous he crossed the line. Because he did. Yeah, because he can't communicate with the woman he's interested in. I don't understand why he sent the email and is immediately, you know, like, nervous that it didn't go over well. Like, what did he think was going to happen when he sent that email? Why didn't he call her? There's a million questions. Why didn't he send it to... Because he says in the previous scene, like, he sent the strongly worded email to her office. Like, I thought it was sent to, like, the billing department. And she didn't necessarily have to see it. Like, I thought that was what he was doing. But apparently he sent it directly to her. I guess we should address it in the next scene. But why she contacts him the way she does is pretty crazy. This is such a dumb way to set this up also. But just to do more elevator, which was fun. So... Did she call him? She called him. Did she call him or did she page him? I think she called him. Because we're going to find out her computer's down. So I don't know how she would have gotten in touch with him. Well, we know it was an email. That much we know. There was a message on the scene from Abby. She said she'd leave to see me right away. If it was a phone call, the tone of her voice when she says, I'd like you to come down to the office. I have something I want to talk about. You'd think there'd be enough joy in it that he wouldn't be nervous here. God, the message was so short, though. I can't really tell what sort of mood she's in. I guess if she'd been really angry, she wouldn't have some indication on the machine. Well, then again, being a savvy lawyer, you know, she might not really want to tip her hand. At the lobby, Marty shows off some sick chili. What? Is that what happens? Yeah. He tells Niles about the chili he got. Oh, my God. That explains the scrambled egg bit. I didn't know what was happening there. Yeah. He says that Tony the chili guy got his vendor license back. Yeah. For some reason, Jess missed the Marty bit. I think I caught the rest of the scene. Although, does he bring up steak and kidney pudding? No, that's Daphne. Daphne brings up. I just missed this part. There wasn't anything to miss. Well, it explains the scrambled egg thing, so. It does. I am so impressed by Niles' willpower because through all this, he's clearly, like, on the verge from most of it. But he manages to waddle away here, away from the probably stinky chili. Very impressive. I really thought we were going to see some version of a throw-up scene. Like, I thought we were going to get something gross because the way he was acting. But he never, never lets it rip. Are you sad about that? I'm not. I'm grateful as a viewer, but I'm also just impressed as a person. I do not have that kind of willpower when I have the feelings he's having. Same, same. I could have done a lot more of this Vader thing. I thought it was fun the whole time. Even if I missed the Marty thing, I was enjoying it. I agree, yes. Daphne intercepts Donnie at the courthouse. She encourages him to take his time with the engagement, only to discover it's his wedding day. She apologizes and wishes him well. It was here when I knew for sure that we had met him before. Because it was also at the courthouse. This is, I think, the same exact building, yeah. That helped. Does this show get like a two-for-one deal? Like they get the actor and the set? Like as a complete thing? That's actually just Donnie's house. It's probably the same suit, too. They get the suit with it as well. I think you're right. It was a typical Daphne bit of Daphne talking and Donnie trying to interrupt her to tell her what's going on. And she's not willing to let him talk so she doesn't get what's going on. This is interesting. I don't know if I consider that a typical Daphne thing. She's definitely done it. When she's upset about something, she doesn't listen to anyone else. I feel like it's a sitcom thing and even a Frasier thing. Like you see it a lot, this kind of I'm going to talk and not let you interrupt me, even though you clearly have something important to say. Yeah. I don't think it's more Daphne than any other character. Yeah, I'm willing to bet Frasier's had it happen to him more often than Daphne. But also like if you consider how much Daphne's talked, maybe it's fair. Maybe this is like the third time that's happened to her. A full 30% of her dialogue in the entire series, to our point, has been this. So yeah, maybe it's fair, but the upside down doesn't recognize it. But we're not disrespecting your point. You know, we're going to keep eyes on the bread. Thank you. I feel like you needed a gavel after that. Yeah, right. The upside down does not recognize it. I think you could pipe that in. Yeah, yeah. This is the sound of a gavel. I love his mom. Donnie's mom is so great in this scene. I'm a big Donnie fan. I'm a big Donnie's mom fan. You know, I'm in on the whatever their name is family. Brasco, I think, is his last name. Oh, yes. Hopefully we get more of the brass guy. And hopefully we get a lot more questions because I don't know if you guys realize Daphne was doing all of this mid-wedding ceremony. Kind of a big deal. And it begs the Twitter question of the week. If you were to stop a wedding mid-ceremony, how would you do it, Curt? You know what? I wouldn't. You wouldn't? I don't think I would. I have a hard time believing there's a scenario where I would be willing to speak in public. I wouldn't in a heartbeat. Okay, what do you got, Brad? Give us a real answer. As many people have mentioned, my voice is one of an angel. So I would just, you know, in the middle of the wedding, just start singing an amazing song to grab everyone's attention and ruin the wedding. That is easily your best answer. That's a winner. But if somehow you can beat that out there, believe me, Brad rarely gets them right, but he nailed it this time. Can you do better by getting anywhere that you can tweet at us anywhere except next for your Twitter question of the week? Abby never saw the email. She brought him to the office because she made partner and wants a celebration fuck. Because she assumed it was a sexy email, he pretends to read it to her while actually deleting it. Unfortunately, he also printed it. Oh man. Oh, this scene. Okay. Another one. Just where to start? All these scenes. Where do you start? We start with computer guy trouble. We learn that she hasn't seen the email. And you're like, oh, good. We know it's not going to work out. So not that good. But like, what are we doing then? Before we get into the email part, I do love when she asks him, you've sent me another one of those naughty emails, haven't you? Maybe we should act this one out. No, no. Actually, I just, I just forwarded you an ad for reduced mortgage rates. And why are you blushing, Fraser? Because they're embarrassingly low. I thought that was great. I don't know where that came from. That is just brilliant. I thought it was a really great, ridiculous line. And whoever wrote that line should be very proud of themselves because it's so unnecessary, but so great. I wasn't that focused on it because what, what they had just revealed is that he had previously sent her a saucy email. They sent it away like the audience is supposed to know that? Yeah. It was a callback. Was it? I don't remember which scene, but there was definitely a scene earlier where they, they kind of flirted about that email that he had sent. So Abby, um, did you happen to get any interesting emails today? Yes, I did, but none that I feel comfortable discussing in front of your father. Like they had talked about a sexy email already. Not like enough detail to make it like part of the scene. I feel like I didn't watch the extended cut current. I don't know what you're on about. So the regular episode, I was, this is the first we'd ever heard of it. Well, I just want to say I was screaming at Fraser when he wasn't deleting the email right away. Oh my God. There was so much tension. He started to read it or not read it. Cause obviously he knows what he said, but he was starting to like make up the thing before actually deleting it. And it turned out it's just cause he's computer inept, but like, we don't know that. And there was, it felt like there was so much time before he quote unquote deleted it. Oh, much time. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was uncomfortable. Cause like, how hard is it? Like delete it and then pretend to read it. Like if anything is going to be harder to make things up when you're reading what you actually wrote. How crazy you are. Right. I don't know if you noticed, but as soon as she said, yeah, I gave you a discalpher, his facial expression, I got to give Kelsey Grammer credit was really amazing. Cause you could tell he, he knew in that second he fucked up. I, that's one of my favorite lines. The important thing is that this woman who is high powered, like this is a woman who has reached the level of partner at this firm. She is considering it appropriate apparently to like, not only want to have sex with this guy, but like she's, is she wearing like a nightie under her suit jacket? Like she gets so sexied up so quick in taking off a lot of her clothes. This was strange. This was definitely the sexiest we've had a moment in Frasier. And like it for a second, you're like, is this just about to be a porn? Like what is happening? And yeah, what the hell is she wearing? Like she didn't know she was making partner, but she wore that just in case. Just in case she could bane Frasier. Mike, what would have her day have been like if that, if she didn't make partner? Yeah. Like she thought she was getting scolded, right? Like, was she going to take it off to distract him? Like what was going to happen? Well, we didn't talk about that. She thought she was going to get in trouble because apparently she gave Frasier a discount. And as soon as that happens, she is ready for office sex and good on her. You know, that's fine. She made partner. That's obviously the first thing you would do is you would call someone you've been on a date with four times. When she reads the email that he prints and she gets really upset with him and she throws him out. She opens the door to an office. Presumably there's at least a secretary or somebody outside that door. She is half dressed and she opens that door and like hands him his clothes as he leaves half undressed. That is such a, such a strong point. Didn't clock this at all. What the fuck is she doing? I guess she feels invincible now that she's a partner. She did do it like she has done this before and she has no reservations. I thought this was wild. They're even talking about having sex as she throws him out. Yes. One, it's a, it's an elite line. I'm going to think that I almost slept with you. You still can. Has he already done that line? I feel like we've heard that delivery exactly like that before. Maybe not exactly like that, but he's been in that situation where he realized he fucked up a chance. Oh, definitely. But I think the, I think that you still can line has been said before. Almost exactly like that. Not in an office where a lady's like half dressed who just made partner, but like, you know, I think for the most part we've seen this bit. If this is been done before, I did not spoil this version of it because I really like this. Didn't spoil it either. I just, it'd be a fun if we get one of these every like two seasons. Nice. Also, we just have to address it. Frasier Bradded so hard this episode. Yes. Trying to delete and printing it. That is the most Brad thing we've seen him do. And he's done some Brad things. Yeah. I wondered about that. Cause I'm like, don't you get like a pop-up window? Like how, how do you accidentally print something? Oh, I do. I've done it a bunch. Really. It's not hard. Why are you eating while you're saying this? Sorry. He was trying to print something and somehow food got in his mouth. Oh, I'm eating French toast. No, I was, I was, I was trying to, um. Eat food. Reconcure it. Swallow and then tell us what you were doing. I was trying to milk a cow, but I ended up eating a chocolate. You know what? That's pretty good. Yeah. So we talked about how Abby was sexy in the scene. Frazier was very not. I thought for a second you were about to say Frazier was sexy. No. Like, cause he's, he's like kind of trying to be, but I, he came across as aggressively not. Yeah. I mean, he's obviously nervous. Like he's got a mission to accomplish here. He thought he'd already deleted it. He thought he got away with it. I'm talking about after he thinks he deleted it. I mean, how, how sexy can he get? Like he's, he's got very little range. I think we've seen him a little, like, you know, he's, he's put on somewhat moves. This felt so dry. I think you're right. I think it would have been both funnier and would have made more sense if like the tension ends when he hits delete and suddenly he relaxes and he's much more into the sexy times than he was. And then the bombshell drops that it printed. Like that would have probably worked better. I think that's what they were doing. I just don't think they executed it well. Fraser plays this out with Roz ushering in Niles to look after Marty who is passed out from a chilly overdose. Absent Narcan, Niles uses his licorice like smelling salts and jolts Marty back to life. Was he passed out? I thought he was sick. They were trying to say he was like a chilly coma. Oh. I thought this one was okay. It was fine. I think this is the weirdest one we've ever gotten. It's got so many parts to it. Why is Roz there in the first place? I guess she just hangs out at their house now. Like what is this scene? Why is he eating licorice and why is he using it to wake up Marty? What is happening? Well, licorice calms your stomach if for some reason. It does? Yeah, that's what licorice is known. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. Oh, you were asking. Yeah, I know. I did not know that was a thing licorice is for. That's like the only thing it's for. It's certainly not for the taste. I should probably start eating licorice. Yeah, yeah. You who pukes on his way to work. Yeah, you probably should have some in the car. They opened my glove box. Why do you have licorice in here? Because you never know what will happen. I also think that the wobble acting that Marty does at the end of the scene when he kind of wakes up. I didn't think it was very convincing. He's no David Hyde Pierce in the physical acting department. Okay, easy. No one's David Hyde Pierce in that department. I know, but it's just such a, like you give us a whole elaborate elevator scene with David Hyde Pierce doing all that. And then you follow it up with this kind of half-assed wobble. I didn't get the whole thing. I forgot the chili line. I didn't realize the chili line happened. So I was just confused. But I thought he was, I thought he was super sick. That's why I thought he was doing the wobble. Well, I think that is why. I'm just saying that I don't think it was well executed. Well. Well, Brad, did you think this episode was well executed? Thank you, Curtis. I genuinely liked this episode. It wasn't necessarily one of my favorites, but I think it had some good bits. I liked the elevator scene. I really did. I think this was a very strong Niles episode. There's so many of them. And I like each character really had a role in this episode besides maybe, Roz. What do you mean maybe? Well, but she had the small one with, you know, trying to get a, trying to get music for her daughter. She had a hard time even saying it because it was such a non-plot. I gave this a solid score of a B. Just a solid B for me. Curtis, what did you think? What ridiculous number did you give this score? I don't agree at all. I didn't really like this one. Talking about it, I think I like it even less than I scored it. I put this at 70 out of 101. Oh my God. What? I did not think this was very good. Too many logistical errors. I agree that talking about it has been a buzzkill, but I also think you've lost your mind with this score. Okay. I mean, I will be curious to know what you thought. Because I really, I thought this was like not that funny and also like had too many plot holes to make a lot of sense. I think it's better than Crocktails, the weird fake flashback episode. Obviously it was better than that. Worse than A Day in May. It's also a weird kind of vignette episode we got this season. Interesting. It is significantly better than both of those episodes. I'm way closer to Brad on this one. Yeah. Okay. I gave it a 7.5. I think we built around three very solid, very different scenes. Like Brad said, Niles' acting is just on fire. I loved the dinner scene, even if it was weird. I loved the weird sexy scene, even if it was weird. Like we do a lot of very weird things here and it's fun. I think Abby's great. Ryan and I like the weirder episodes more than you, Curtis. Like we like the weird off-put ones that are just a little strange and don't really make sense. And I feel like you like the ones that make sense a little more. There are plot holes. And when we talk through them, it's evident that some of these plot points don't make sense. But I don't think you felt that watching the episode. No. Oh, I did. Well, you're you. Ryan, for you, it did give you a lot of things to think about from the upside down perspective. Definitely. There's a lot to chew on. There's a lot of both directions where it does affect certain things. Yeah. I'll grant you, it's a monumental episode in a lot of ways. Yeah. And also, Ryan, where I will absolutely hardly co-sign what you're saying. And Terry Polo does a fantastic job. The character of Abby is a pretty great character as far as one-off characters go. As far as we know, she's one-off. There's a chance we could see her in one more. I'm hoping, I'm hoping she's a two-offer. That would be great. That would be absolutely great. Well, I think we could get one of those where she splits, you know, she's in two episodes that aren't back-to-back. I think that's very in play. I think I ranked it as high as I did because she elevated us. I could see that. My only real negatives, I had three negatives. And that was, we had a lot of Daphne, but almost none of it for comedy. Yeah, that's true. And then we had Sexy Fraser, obviously a ding. And it was a good Marty episode. Okay. Okay. Little known fact, this episode actually served as a backdoor pilot to a spinoff series that never got picked up. The show would have starred Terry Polo as the former lawyer Abby turned advice columnist. While we were robbed of this hit show, we are going to reenact its premise in a segment named after the unproduced series, Dear Abby Esquire. Oh, that's fun. I like that. Good job. The way I thought this would go, I've written a little intro here that I would- That was the intro. You just read the intro. Well, that was my intro to the segment. I was going to pretend like I'm Abby doing like the voiceover she would do at the beginning of, during the credits of her TV show. Yes. Let's hear this. Yeah. I mean, obviously we're hearing it. Every morning, millions of Americans wake up with uncertainty. What will they do with their career, their love life, their future? My name is Abby and I've never been uncertain. As a high-powered attorney, I kicked ass and took names with my confidence. And I'm lending that confidence to you. I'd advise you to send in your questions so I can set you straight. That was a pretty good Vincent Price. Are we just going to take turns reading our questions and then how do we decide who does the answers? It's your seed. Whoever does the questions doesn't do the answers. Is the idea that we're going to reply as if we're her or are we going to say this is what I would say if I was the advice columnist? Whichever you can be funnier with, Curt. Yeah. Well, neither. So then be Abby. When in doubt, Abby out. All right. Well, why don't you go first? Yeah, I'll go first. Dear Abby Esquire, I'm feeling a little frivolous. But ever since COVID taught me about the dangers of going outside, I stopped going outside. So, Abs, what are some tips for getting myself back out there and back into some sue-able situations? M-Soulis in Seattle. Wait, I thought we were asking legal questions. Yeah, it is a legal question. All right, she wants to do frivolous lawsuits. You need outdoorsy advice? To do it? I am confused. She has not left her house since COVID. It's really hard to get a frivolous lawsuit going when you don't go out into the world, guys. Abby's? Dear Soulis, I think that you are missing out on so many opportunities to sue. You don't need to go outside your own four walls. All you have to do is aggressively order on apps. Have unwitting strangers come to your home and leave all kinds of ways that they can... Hmm. That doesn't make a lot of sense. I was going to say leave traps for them to trip on, but then they would be suing you. Have people come to your home delivering things to you and then pretend that they've put things in them that shouldn't be there, like bugs and food. Then sue like crazy. Your original pitch was to home alone them? You know, classic setup for a lawsuit. Attack people. I had the right idea going the wrong direction, okay? All right, Brad. Dear Soulis in Seattle, I'm sure you probably live in a neighborhood. Find ways to sue your neighbors. If there's a tree too close, sue them for that. If there's a car in the driveway, sue them for that. The best way to do a frivolous lawsuit is have terrible relationships with your neighbors. That is the best way to get through this. I think I should probably pick one, right? Yeah. Which one would you go with? I don't really get Curt's. No. I don't think Curt gets Curt's. That makes three of us. So, I mean, I think I got to go with Brad on that one, right? Like neighbors, people get mad at neighbors for some reason. Yeah, for sure. You're right, Brad. Yeah. Snaps. Snaps to you. Okay? Should I go? Since Curt doesn't even understand the game. Just tell my lungs, motherfuckers. Dear Abby, my name is Jeff Genderson. I recently took my colleague's daughter and me to see my ex-wife perform a children's show. During that children's show- I'm sorry. I know we shouldn't interrupt, but did you say my daughter's enemy? Or is the name enemy? What was that? No. My colleague's daughter. Didn't you say enemy after that? Oh, was the name Emily? Oh, Emily. I don't think there was any Emily. You said enemy or some shit. Did you take that from the beginning? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Dear Abby, my name is Jeff Jefferson. I recently went to see a children's show with my colleague's daughter, Bremley. Okay? Her name is Bremley. We're going to go with that. While I was there, it happened to be the performer was my ex-wife. And I happened, through no fault of my own, end up pretty much naked on the stage in front of a lot of different children. How should I handle this situation? Sincerely, Jeff Jefferson. You're not supposed to use your name in an Abby column. My name is Jeff Jefferson from West 36 Pike. My social security number is 444-5683. Like, you're not supposed to do that. You're supposed to be semi-anonymous. Is that part of your advice? Dear Jeffrey Anonymous, Sue. I was just saying, I can respond first. That was the response. Sue. Oh, Sue the children. Well, you know, Sue the naked guy, at least. I am the naked guy. He's the naked guy. What do you mean? Oh, you are the naked guy. God, you're so bad at this game. He's not all of the children. What do you mean, Curt? It was a very long story. I got lost. He's doing the horny Metcalf episode. I got that. I just, I thought he was complaining that he had to witness it. Ryan, it makes me so happy that the only reason why this bit is working is because Curt is so bad at it. Curt doesn't get it at all. That guy has no idea what's going on. In my defense, it's been a while since I've been this laughably bad at a bit. All right. Now, please give me advice, Curt. I can't wait to hear this. You want me to go first? Yes, please. Dear Jeff Jefferson from Jefferson, Oklahoma. It's important that when you find yourself basically naked on a stage in front of children is that you do not stand still. They will definitely notice the nakedness then. It's very important that you move around as much as possible, preferably hopping and flapping your arms. But the important thing is that you never stop moving. They can't sue you if they can't see you. Dear Jeff Jefferson of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Social security number 829-314-8561. Long security number. He needed more time to brainstorm what he's going to say. Let's just read now pie at this point. Beds on stages. Have blankets. Simply ensconce yourself in blankets. Enjoy the softness of them. And don't fret about being naked. Being naked's fun. I take every opportunity I can to be naked in just about any room I find myself in. Pretty good. This is a tough one because both, you know, have their strengths and weaknesses. But, you know, I'm a never stop moving guy. I'm going to go with Ryan. That's right, baby. I don't think you would stop moving if you were asked to, Brad. Curtis, what legal advice do you need? That me and Brad can help you with. Dear Abby Esquire, my employer does not give me Martin Luther King Day Off. Can I sue? Signed, the museum misser. You can feel Curt's real angst in there. I don't even get it. I am. Why are you so mad about? Oh, right. The free museum day. Right. Dear. What's your character's name? Sophia. Museum misser. It's just real life Curt, Brad. Dear museum misser. I can't even pronounce that. I think if you're passionate about museums, I think the only answer to this question is quit your job and just go to a museum. And don't worry about work because the museums will make you happy. Just go to a museum. It's just the one. The question was, can you sue, right? That's how it ended? Yes. The answer is no. Oh, dear museum misser. This is America. First of all, fuck yeah, you can sue. You can sue for any reason. It doesn't even have to be a real thing. But in this case, you can absolutely sue for very clear and obvious racism. And the more you say it and the louder you get, the more likely it is that you're going to get it off next year. So shout racism and free America of its racist past for America. And sue away. I mean, how can I vote for either option other than the one that's America? Thank you, Ryan, for succeeding in your prompt. You are an American. Also, Brad saying no in a legal column to suing is just foolish. Do you guys want to do a bonus one? I got another one. Sure. Dear Abby Esquire, there are so many laws to know and keep up with. I don't know how you do it. There's Murphy's law, Jude law, and that Newton guy had even like a third one. It's just all too much. But the one that truly eludes me seems to be a seasonal law. Of course, I am talking about Cole's law. It's everywhere in the summer, but I just can't figure out what to do with it. So Abby, please feed me some tasty tips on how to use such a tricky law. M-A man on the wrong side of the slaw. Dear the man, the wrong side of the slaw man. Good. Nailed it. If you have your slaw and you can't figure out what to do with it, I would follow the ultimate law of the slaw, the Brad law. And the Brad law states, if it looks good, eat it. If it doesn't look good, take the slaw, throw it outside, bury it, and never think about it again. Either way, that slaw will be your solution. Did you maniacally laugh in the column response? Yes. First of all, you became Brad, I think, in the middle of that. Are you saying that when you see food you don't like, you take it out and bury it? In this situation, that's what I would suggest, is burying it, yes. Is that just a Cole's law thing, or is that? That's the Brad's law. I'm not Brad in this scenario, but that's the Brad's law. But the Brad who you respect and admire and adhere to his law. Brad Pitt. Right. Yeah. Dear wrong slaw man, if you encounter Cole's law out in the world during the summer, it is imperative that you do not engage with it. It is a hostile force, and it will betray you. Turn your back on it, and simply ignore it. It can't hurt you, unless you give yourself up. I gotta tell you, you guys have done much better this round. I do not bury enough things, though, you know? I kinda wanna just bury food for no reason. So Brad, you take the W. That's fair, I gotta ask. Are you putting on Brad's accent, or do you say bury? I don't know, I heard it too. I don't think I, it doesn't come up a lot. I don't bury things a lot, so maybe I just, that's my word. I don't know. Oh my. Everybody buries things. How do you say it? I bury them. You bury it? I bury them. You eat berries, you bury things. You like, uh, bury Manilow it. Yeah. You write the songs that no one else sings. I think you're pronouncing it wrong, Curt. Oh, I pronounced many things wrong, that's fine. That acronym is coming through here in your bury. Well, I wonder what's coming through next week. Ryan, why don't you tell us what we're gonna be covering in the previous episode at Season 8, Episode 5, Taking Liberties. This will be a flashback episode to when Marty violently suppressed a few peaceful protests. I'm gonna be honest, I hope not. I like the idea that Marty has turned a quarter. I really don't wanna see... It could be the summer when the Ballantines went dry. You know, maybe they had like a embargo or something. I don't know. Seattle did like a year of dry... Prohibition. It was like a dry county. Yes. Oh, I love that. Yes. Lock it in. I mean, I think if ever there was a, like, 90s era sitcom that would have been kind of awesome if they did a fantasy episode where they were all like coppers from the 20s, like a noir episode of Frasier would be pretty great. Oh, I would love that. Well, that will do for us. Thanks to Gavin McLeod for our theme music and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod. Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. For myself, for Ryan, and for Brad, good morning, Houston. I hate you. Hello? Curtis? Oh, good. I thought it was me. Curtis. Curt, are you in an elevator? Curtis. Oh, no. It's one of those times. It's a Brad and Ryan time. We need a name for this. Brian. We're not calling it Brian. Are you fu- Are you- Out of your mind. We can call it Ran or Bran. I think Bran's good, right? People name Flakes after that. Bran? The shittiest Stark. Like, people talk about Brillian. People have, like, thought my name was Bran before. Nobody's ever thought your name was Bran. Yes. They're like, is it Bran? I go, no, it's Brad. Like, almost no one's name is Bran. Just one weird kid in one show. I gotta tell you, if you saw that weird show and are thinking about naming your kid Bran, don't. Finish the series and then tell me you want to still call him that. Oh, we are acting like this is all going to stay in the episode. Sometimes it makes it then.