The Bad Son

Answer: I applied to the Academic Success Center.; And she recommended me to the Writing Commons.; But I had a pretty great job at the Writing Commons.; So that worked out. Answer qualification: But I've already told that on the pod.; It was an application that went into a black hole.; I have no idea.; I don't regret not getting the opportunity there, though.; Because my understanding is I think that was more of, like, where students got sent because; they were failing.; Whereas the Writing Center was, like, the library offering a service anybody could just ask for; help with their papers.

Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where you go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight we are covering Season 8, Episode 3, The Bad Son, which originally aired on October 31st, 2000. Trapped on a Roof? Classic sitcom trope. Trapped in a Stairway? Another classic. Doing both in the same episode? Innovation. I'm your host, Curtis Jack. Joining me as always is our resident upside downer. It's Ryan Sansone. Curtis! I'm excited tonight. Let's get trapped. Let's do it. And to help us out with us is our brittle peanut. It's Bradley Kirkston. Thank you. Thank you. You wanted the fun. You got the bread. I'm here for a good time. Not a long time. Who are you talking to or about? No one mentioned this at all. I was talking more to the fans. I love the instant diss. Like, you wanted fun, but you got me. Suck it. I just don't know who you're directing this at. We didn't say we wanted one. The audience didn't say that. The thousands and thousands of viewers that watch this show, that listen to this show each week. Are you talking about when you air this at work and people, you make your subordinates listen to it? I was going to say, it's part of their job. I'm actually, I just hired a new person. It's in their job description. And all of their feedback is, I wish the third mic was fun. More fun. More fun. It's everyone loves when I'm on because I bring the fun. You think Katie might be free tonight? God, I hope so. Without me, you guys are like the two old men from the Muppets. Maybe this week they'll be funny. Wanna bet? With me, we're like... The two old men from the Muppets and Beaker. No. Beaker's way easier to understand. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, no. I was going to make a bad joke, but then I forgot the joke. So just, just move on. Bring in the fun, Bradley Kirkston. Three amigos. We're like the three amigos. There we go. Wherever there is suffering, we'll be there. I knocked the joke out of the park. We're good. Anyway. We have to cut all of them, Brad. We have to cut all of that. In this episode, Marty is dragged to a retirement home so Frasier can hit on babes. He makes the most of it, though. But do we have any times we've been tricked into going somewhere when it kind of turned out okay? No. Once again, the greatest yes-ander of all time, Ryan. I just feel like I understand situations pretty well. And I go to them. It meets my expectation. Or, you know, maybe it's slightly below, slightly above. I'm never like, whoa, this was a crazy experience. Closest one I got. I was dragged to a driving, which they do double features. I was told we're going to watch Wanted, which looked cool. It wasn't great, but it looked cool. And they didn't tell me what the other feature was. When we got there, I found out it was the happening, which I knew I didn't want to see because I saw the trailers for it. And then it turns out I was so right that actually it was kind of a joy because I got to go on this, like, really long ramble. And it was just nice to be right, I guess, to, like, ten other people in a car. That's the closest I got. I don't know what's happening to you two. I do, by the way, love when Ryan agrees to these discussions. It was like, yeah, saying I have nothing is going to work. I really thought I would have some. I was like, my mom must have dragged me to something that I thought would be horrible. And it was great. But, like, I got nothing. I'll empathize with you. I feel, like, a little bit similar. It sounded like a good prompt. And then when I sat and thought about it, I was like, what am I going to say? What I ended up with is maybe a little boring, to be honest. But it's not going to be the time that you went to the museum that your mom dragged you to, is it? No, I thought about that. I thought about that because that is true. But I've already told that on the pod. I've already told the happening story. But it was helpful in this case to just prove how nice it could be. In college, I asked a professor to write a letter of recommendation to get a writing tutor job. And she was really excited. She was like, I know the woman who runs it. I'm going to talk you up to her. Turns out, Kent State has two different writing centers, completely unrelated from each other. I applied to the Academic Success Center. And she recommended me to the Writing Commons. And she followed up with me. I was like, so, they haven't gotten your application yet. Are you going, like, have you turned it in? Like, what's going on? I was like, oh, I did. I applied. And then we figured it out. And it was like, oh, I applied to the wrong place. And she sent the recommendation to the wrong place. So never ended up getting even a callback from the Academic Success Center. But I had a pretty great job at the Writing Commons. Really enjoyed it. So that worked out. That was boring. But let's dive into it anyway. What about the Academic Success Center did they not like about you? It was an application that went into a black hole. I have no idea. I don't regret not getting the opportunity there, though. Because my understanding is I think that was more of, like, where students got sent because they were failing. Whereas the Writing Center was, like, the library offering a service anybody could just ask for help with their papers. Yes, we know many people that went to user services. No, we're talking about the tutoring job, Brad. We're not getting into that tonight. Oh, Curt, I thought of one. Yeah. This podcast. I watched the new Suicide Squad. That was a great movie. It wasn't like the first Suicide Squad, which sucked. If you haven't seen Suicide Squad, DC's, they figured something out finally. Brad made a joke about this podcast, but it's actually kind of true. Before this podcast, we attempted a Twitch stream, which we did for a while. And that was something I felt a little dragged into. I was like, why do they want to do this? This is so stupid. And it was a blast. Yeah, you loved it. I loved it so much, I turned it into something I wanted to do slightly more, which was a podcast. Like, if only I could edit it. I have a really short story. You never have a short story. You've never once had a short story. Brad, stories have a beginning, a middle, and an end. My buddy, friend of the pod, Ryan Hyken, he's a big fan of comedians. Like, six years ago, he's like, oh, I really want to see this comedian. Like, it was like this really small comedy club. I was like, I don't really want to go to this. Like, we went to a football game that day. And he's like, he's like, come on, it'll be fun at night. And I did it when it goes. And I finally went, and I went to see this comedian. And it turns out it was Napragazzi before he was big. Oh, that is a good one. Okay, wait, you didn't want to go to the comedy club, though? Because he's taken me to some of the worst comedians of all time, Hyken. He took me to a night of, like, newbies, and they were all horrific. They were all, like, what-it-be comedians. It was like pulling teeth. I almost just got up on stage and started making jokes, because I would have been funnier than them. No chance. But you should have done that. And you should have filmed it. And we should be talking about that right now. It was really cool getting to see Napragazzi before he was big. Oh, I remember the one I was going to do. Ryan's like, I don't have one. And he's giving three. Okay, so my friend, this was when Dark Knight came out. And he comes to me, he's like, we have to go to the movies. There's a huge movie out. Like, everyone's going to be seeing this. Like, it's going to be so great. I was like, all right, yeah, say no more. We drive to the movie theater. We go past the Dark Knight. We go past Superbad, I think, was also in theaters. There was, like, three other great movies. And then he goes, all right, we're going to see Stop the Yard. I was like, what the hell is Stop the Yard? Like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Which I don't know if you guys have ever seen this movie. I've never heard anyone talk about it before or since. I've never seen it. I definitely, it's a familiar title. I've heard of it. Yes. Chris Brown was in it. Spoiler alert, he dies 10 minutes in. So if you're there for just Chris Brown, which you shouldn't be, he dies 10 minutes in. And the rest of the movie is about his brother. You know, early in the movie, we learned that Chris Brown can get up on his elbow. That's a dance move. I don't know how that's possible. And the movie concludes, spoiler alert, with the brother getting up on the elbow. Honestly, loved the movie. Would never have chosen it. Would never do it. I thought it was a great movie. Surprised I didn't see Stop the Yard 2. Curtis is more of a Step Up fan, so he doesn't participate in Stop the Yard. Well, it is funny because you guys joke about Step Up 2 a lot. The streets. And for a long time, I couldn't remember if that was the movie I'd seen in theaters. So sometimes I'd be like, oh yeah, I've seen that one. Well, I think we definitely saw this episode of Frasier. Should we talk about it? Nah, I'm good. It's genuinely hilarious. Because your consistent no-buts are just hilarious to me. We open with radio waves coming out of the Space Needle. We get a title card. When bad things happen to good BMW owners. Frasier is schooled by Ross on how to get around on the bus. When he tries to hit on a woman, he slips and falls in something gross. Sometimes the world is just. All right, we're going to start out the gate on a city bus. That's exciting. And Curt, a little bit of sleuthing to go along with it. Ooh. The upside downs determine that Frasier definitely errs towards blondes. Another crane boy's mystery solved. Oh, interesting. Which I think Laura Linney isn't. But that's, you know, eventually the blondes don't work out. You said leans towards. That's fair. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think the evidence justifies that for sure. I don't know if you would characterize this as sleuthing. But at one point when Frasier is standing on the bus, you see an advertisement for Cafe Nervosa behind his head. That's a pretty fancy coffee place to be doing advertisements on buses. I did not catch that. I certainly didn't catch it. I don't know if that's sleuthing or just not paying attention to the episode. But is that unusual for coffee shops to be on buses? I don't know. Local coffee shops, that's a little unusual. Is it? Does Starbucks need to be on there? I don't know. I get the impression that Cafe Nervosa is not a big successful chain, but a kind of one-off cafe. I would not expect a small business like that to have like bus money. You understand that they caffeinate the both Cranes and Cranes constituents. Like they pour a ton of money into that place. So they can afford the ad because of the Cranes, and they're doing the ad in order to diversify past the Cranes. They're trying to get out of just the Cranes business. But yes, they make plenty of money. They order macchiatos like way before anyone knew what that was. Yeah, that's fair. As somebody who does take buses fairly regularly. What does this humble bring? What am I supposed to do with that? I didn't mean to brag. Oh, cool. You're so good for the environment, Curt. Here's a medal. I don't care about the environment. That's not why. Some of us live in Columbus, which has bus in it, but we don't have buses that are very good. So suck it, Curt. He puts his money in, and then instead of just going back and finding a spot on the bus, he like tries to haggle with the driver to get a special stop. Infuriating. And it's raining, by the way, like pouring rain. He doesn't haggle. He bribes. Haggle would be like if the guy is like 100 bucks for that extra stop. He was like, no, 20. Like that would be really bizarre. I also thought it was odd when the two women start having a conversation that he's kind of overhearing and listening in on. You mean when he's leering at his two women on a bus? The idea of having a conversation with, I know they're not strangers, but so the idea of like having a conversation just seems so foreign to me. I don't want to talk to anybody on a bus. Well, it's your friend. But they find each other. It's not like they got on the bus together. Like it's like, oh, hey, it's you. You're telling me Curtis Sheck, who takes the bus every day, has never run into someone on the bus ever. I have. I don't usually talk to them. I've gotten on the bus with my husband. We usually don't talk. Well, that's not related to this at all. We always do the funny acoustics in Frasier World. And I assume this is just some sort of like TV magic bit. But like it is weird that he can listen to them and then him and Roz have a full blown conversation about them and they're oblivious to that. That's a great point. I'm also just going to put it out there. I know this doesn't particularly matter. It's a short scene in a show that's not about buses. But their bus acting is terrible. Like they're just kind of standing there. They're not making any effort to make it look like they're on a rocky bus that's stopping and starting. Well, why does it have to be a rocky bus? Why can't it? Maybe it's a smooth bus. I don't know. Maybe Seattle's better at buses than Chicago. I don't know. Maybe he downgraded his public transit game when he moved to Chicago. Seems implausible, but sure. Well, it's very clear this is his first and last time on a bus in decades. Right. I'm very glad they came up with this reason to have Roz in the episode, seeing how this is her only scene. I actually think this is a much better use of Roz than we normally get. And we get some good lines out of her. Plenty of refined, sophisticated women ride the bus. Open your eyes, Nimrod! That was my stop! I quite enjoyed it, actually. It would have been nice to see her at least one more time, but you know, you know, she did her job. Listen, choosy beggars in that. If we're going to get her, we're going to get her on a bus unhappy, all right? Are we to assume she is a regular public transit user? I think she said Brad. They make her in this scene seem like the expert. I guess she does use it often. I don't know. That's how they, that's how they, it's perceived. She very much said that multiple times, and she indicated multiple times, I think. Yeah, she takes it. She's regular folk, guys. I guess. I think of her as elevated, but okay. Just because of the company she keeps. That's the power of your friends. That's why we've got to cut Brad and find someone who's like dignified and stuff. Absolutely. Absolutely. This season, we've complained ad nauseum about the fat shaming of Daphne, and we've been clear of that for a few episodes. It feels like we are well past that storyline now, but I feel like we're at the beginning of the season. This is episode three, like really early in the season. I feel like they are really telegraphing what the arc of this season would be, because Frasier makes a comment to a pregnant woman about letting her have the seat so she can spread out, and then immediately realizing he said something stupid and tries to recover from it. But like right away, we're just like, okay, great. We're going to be treating pregnant women this way on this show for this season. Got it. It was a nice heads up, actually. I wish we would have got that going the other way. I like when Frasier sees the graffiti, and his response is that he's telling people specifically not to do that. That is very funny. Such a Frasier reaction. Although it does make the question, how did he know about it before? I'm sure Roz has recounted it to him, shown in pictures. Have you guys ever done that? Have you ever defaced any kind of a signage or a bathroom stall? Have you ever taken the Sharpie to anything? Are you being the cops tonight? What is this? Have you ever broken any laws that are still within the statutes of limitations? You know what? I retract the question. It's going to be the opening next week. When he learns about an upcoming meteor shower, Niles regrets that he spent the last one with Maris. He plans to recreate the night, but with Daphne instead. Frasier decides to trick Marty into viewing a retirement home so he can run into Miranda, the woman from the bus. Got another Duke sighting. Always enjoy a little Duke shout out. One day we might get to meet him. I gotta tell you, this Duke business didn't interest me at all. I think the point was it was supposed to be like a really boring conversation that even Duke didn't want to be a part of because it was always about the weather. But man, I just, I could not latch onto this conversation at all. Well, I think it's supposed to start this whole like scene is all about the weather essentially. And they kick it off with some Duke action. Oh, actually, it's a really good point. Curry, did you know that it rains in Seattle sometimes and it's a major plot point? Wouldn't have guessed that. In a while since we've hit that. But yeah, right. It's that we've established the weather's bad. People are getting stir crazy. Marty is apparently just going ham on every weather channel. And like, look, I actually like watching the weather channel when it's like tornadoes and you gotta like, maybe you have to brace yourself or prepare your home or something. What? This is just rain. Like you can't watch three different weather channels about rain. Watching three different weather channels every time it rains in Seattle sounds excessive. That sounds like a lot of work. This is the bleakest picture of Marty that's been painted yet. Yeah, very lonely, Marty. Which he is, but that's just something else. I feel like related to this bit of the episode where he's talking about different temperatures. Oh, what temperature is it in Florida right now? What temperature is it there? When Daphne comes in with her elite line. Well, how about to check on the roast in the open? It's 375 in there. We're getting more and more at the end of, I guess, the beginning of the season. Her is kind of a sniper. She's still not getting a ton of screen time, but her moments are just straight for the gut. And I really enjoy that. I feel like a lot of her in the last few seasons has been kind of whatever, but these lines have been great. Yeah, I think we're starting to clarify her role. I think that's fair. It seems like that is going to be the route she goes for the first six seasons or whatever. Like drop in, give Marty a hard time, and get out of there. And maybe snipe at someone else here and there, but yeah, it seems like it. And she's good at it. You're right. She does a fantastic job. And I also think that something else we get to see in this scene is when Frasier enters. This has got to be my favorite version of Frasier. Like angry, busted up Frasier. Like he is bickering at everybody. He's mad at everybody. He can't even operate the umbrella anymore. He's so mad. Like I love this version of him. He's screaming about tea. Like he's just all over the place. Throw a bag into some water, and then he comes to his senses. Just make it real great. It's great. Off-kilter Frasier is fantastic. This is about as off-kilter as we get him, where he's physically disturbed and mentally disturbed. It's great. I want that every episode. Is that too much to ask? He's so disturbed. And what's great is we're going to get a lot of this, because between now and like six months prior, however many episodes that is, we know we're going to get unhinged Frasier, because how else can you explain him forgetting to replace his pollen filter on his car? You know, they did some very interesting foreshadowing for this episode, right? They talk about car stuff. They talk about going to basketball games. They talk about going with Marty to the bar. Like they hit on a lot of things that we're going to do. That's a really good point. Yeah. This whole episode is a bit of a, like this season on Frasier. Yeah, it's a little preview. Yeah, it's like the writers wrote all this, like, oh, we like these ideas. Maybe let's make an episode out of every little sentence we say. Let's do it. I wonder if they've done that before. That's something I would do. But I got to tell you, if they wrote one episode, like literally like the third episode of Frasier, and then were just like so checked out for the rest of season eight, they were just like, just grab some tidbit from that and we'll make an episode out of it. It would explain a lot about the quality we've been seeing. Somehow better than the quality of season nine still, but still, you know. I think Marty did a little bit of riffing and they're like, oh, that's a great idea. We should do an episode about that. The stuff we have is garbage. I do want to go back to the pollen filter, though. Does anybody know what that is? And is that something that will require your car to be in the shop overnight or longer? I'm like 84% sure it's part of your engine, and I don't think it takes long to replace. There's definitely air filters in the car, and I don't, I'm sure they trap pollen. I don't think there's like a pollen specific thing. If there is a pollen filter and the guy at the oil chain shop does it automatically, then I've replaced mine. Otherwise, I've never done so. I think the idea is that they're getting taken for a ride. Like, oh, you got to replace your pollen filter. Leave it in the shop. That'll cost $300. Oh, that's a great point. That's a fantastic point. Yeah, Fraser's mechanic and Niles' mechanic is dining out on these two for sure. Which we, again, they go to auto school. Like, we know that they know nothing. Yeah. They show the work. Ryan, I want to ask you about the moment where Niles is sort of encouraging Fraser to seize the day and go ask this woman out and take a chapter from my book. You haven't seen any of what came before. You haven't seen the book yet. So I'm curious how you reacted to this. Did this felt like you understood what this was coming from, or did this enlighten you a little bit about what we're going to see? They've spelled it out pretty clear. And when Niles says the last chapter is the chapter to take out of his book, yeah, we get it. We get he's been pining for Daphne for a long time. Despite having two other marriages, which at this point is incredibly unclear why this Mel marriage happened. Are you, like, excited now to see, like, the origin story now that you know that he's been married at least two times before? I'm very excited to see the Mel storyline. I think the marriage storyline, I assume we're just going to start that way. And Mel, I thought for sure she would be in this episode somewhat. She's barely even referenced. Yeah, I was a little surprised that was not in this episode, especially based on the last two or three. Yeah, really confusing. So, yeah, right now the upside down things. We're starting with Maris season one, ep one. And Mel's coming into the picture. She's in, like, I think we're in sort of the Ronnie role where we're going to see her, you know, three or four more times or maybe five, whatever. And spread out, like, over way too long of an arc. So, like, I think we'll meet her in the middle of season six, I guess. Interesting. Nobody's taking notes. We will never follow up to find out if you were right. Yeah. I just can adjust. I think we're going to learn a lot in the next two episodes. But, like, it's still, it's bonkers where we're at with it. Because the podcast is ongoing and evolving, I'm going to ask the question to you two, should we do that? Should we, when we ask these questions, make a note of what you thought might happen and actually, like, track them and follow up? Probably. Yeah, we'll see. Okay. Ask us next time. We'll give you an answer. Should we versus will we is a different question. Yeah, very much so. Yeah. Okay. All right. Fair enough. I think you were just hoping a super fan would, like, just do that. And they just haven't. Yeah. I don't know why. I guess we need to be more endearing next season. Let me make a pitch to our audience. If you are a super fan of this show, please just occasionally remind us. Start doing work for us. Yeah. Just do the work. And tell us why you're a super fan. ReversePsychPod at gmail.com. Listen, don't write an essay for it. We just want them to track stuff. Yeah, we would like five paragraphs. MLA. Jesus. Brad who can't read. Asking for five paragraphs is rich. In MLA format. And certainly doesn't know how to cite his sources. I don't think I've cited sources since grad school. Anyway, at the end of this scene, we get a moment that's a little bit obvious, I think, of a joke, but still executed it, I thought, very well. So you're suggesting that I go crawling back to Dad, beg him to let me take him to the basketball game, use him to meet a pretty girl, and sit through a sport I loathe. All right, I see your point. No, I'm just trying to get the sequence right. I just think it's a well-executed, mediocre joke. Right. It is very telegraphed. It's very obvious that's happening. But the line Frasier gives you is surprising. Yeah, but it's also very Frasier, because, you know, he's very genuine in that moment. Like, he was not trying to be funny. He was being genuine. Totally. Because he does it. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to explain he's being genuine if that's the rest of the episode. At the retirement home, Marty is paranoid that Frasier is trying to move him there for real. Frasier finally asks Miranda out. Marty meets a fellow McGinty's regular who invites him to a poker game. This was, for me, a throwback to new Frasier when Freddy does this to his dad. And we have to have Frasier playing along being like an old, you know, dementia kind of guy, where he pretends like a banana's a phone or whatever. Right. I was struggling to remember what the hell you were talking about. Yeah, I think it was late season one of new Frasier. In that, Frasier does play just enough along. And we see Marty do the same thing here. Frasier starts, like, petting Marty's head. And every time he does that, Marty gives him this look that, like, I think he genuinely thinks it's very funny. Or he's about to strike his son, and it's unclear which one it is. Yeah. But I loved it. I did like it a lot. I would love to better understand Frasier's frame of mind here. Because if his goal is to sincerely date this woman, at some point he's got to acknowledge that his dad is not senile in this way, which is going to be a pretty big hurdle for the relationship to overcome. If he's just attracted her and just wants to have some casual hangs, that's fine. But it seems like an awfully long way to go just to get with this random woman from the bus. He must be very desperate is what I'm saying. As someone who can relate, I think Frasier's just very lonely and desperate, and he'll try anything. Ah, Brad, maybe don't bum out everyone when you talk. Just don't. I relate to Frasier. Right, but don't hit every beat of why. No, I see. No, I see. Well, we know he's desperate, right? We know what the rest of his dating life looks like. And also, like, what else is, how else is he going to attract her? Be like, oh, hey, I was creeping on you in a bus. Like, that's not going to work. Yeah, I mean, sure. Shoot your shot, Frasier. I don't know, yeah, it's probably not going to last long term, but, like, he's taking a shot. I admire him for that. Going back to the beginning of the scene, because I really liked this line. You didn't have to trick me. I mean, I would never do anything like that to you. It seems someone is forgetting sending Niles and me off to Boy Scout camp to earn our opera badges. Love that. It was such, such a Frasier retort. Like, of course he had that ready to go. Of course that's the reason he was tricked into Boy Scouts. He's probably used that a lot on Marty, but you can tell every time he's ready to pull that out. Also, like, I don't know, Marty's not, like, a big cock block. Although we've done this a number of times where they act like he is. Like, just tell him. He'll be fine with it. Yeah, that's the thing I don't get, because once he's there, he's got to play along. He doesn't, well, he doesn't have to play along. You have to trust he's going to play along. And so it's weird not to let him in on the shot. He knows at that point what's going on, which is, you might have thought you just didn't know him. But he did, just too late. So it's really confusing. Yeah, it seems like a doubly, like, we're already in weird territory. It's a super risky move not to bring your accomplice in on the game. And if it's just because you think he'll say no, like, I don't know, it doesn't seem like Marty to say no to that. Yeah. Also, we cut it way too close to the game starting. Way too close. What is he doing? Yeah, foolish. And I do like Marty's, like, paranoia. Like, You're trying to put me in here for real. No, I'm not. When you said you met her on the bus, I knew that story was full of holes. He's really right to be like, Are you actually doing this right now? Are you just trying to put me in this place? I think we could have had more fun with that. We didn't. I really enjoy when he does finally work up the courage to ask her on a date, and she thinks he just wants to try out the food in the cafeteria with his dad. I am surprised that she actually is the one that realized what he was doing, and he didn't have to spell it out more. I, you're right, that it was surprising, because the joke was a little too obvious, and not as well executed as the previous obvious joke. So the fact that she came to her senses, I think, did help. She said yes. She felt bad that she didn't realize it. Yeah, I wanted to ask about this, because the vibe I got from her, the way she played it, when she realizes he's asking her on a date, it feels like she's uncomfortable, and she should be. She's at work. This is a strange man. Like, I don't blame her for being uncomfortable, but it is weird, because the episode goes on to make it seem like she's genuinely interested in dating Frasier, but in this moment, it seemed like she felt a little bit pressured and uncomfortable. Oh, I don't think she was really ever into Frasier. It's not like it works out between the two of them. I think she felt bad, because she didn't realize she was being asked out. I don't know. She agreed to go on a date at his apartment, and like, showed up ready to have a date. I would say, this is another Frasier thing that we do sometimes, where we act like that's an acceptable maneuver. She probably would have been creeped out if she wasn't embarrassed that she got the question wrong. I think that makes sense. Yeah. I also wondered if she kind of suspected he was asking for a date and just quickly pivoted, hoping he would go away. She made it easy on him after that, so I doubt it. Niles and Daphne's meteor date interfere with Frasier's, so he ushers them out to the roof. Miranda reveals that Marty filled out a housing application, stunning Frasier. All right, when someone rings your doorbell, do you guys do like that weird sashay strut thing that Frasier does as he sets the mood for his first date apartment? No, I'm not as coordinated as that. When my doorbell rings, I like freak out because it never rings, so like there's a lot of hand motions and a lot of running for no reason. Honestly, Brad, I relate to you, because when a door knocks or a doorbell rings in our house, me and my husband look at each other with absolute fear in our eyes, like who could that be? What do they want? Yeah, I mean, in suburbia, it's always just someone tried to sell us solar panels and you're just like, guys, we're not doing this again. Everyone wants to sell everyone's solar panels. It's very shady the way that it goes down to every time. They're like, am I buying it off the back of a truck? Like, what is this? Yeah, they're like, we can install it in two hours or something like that. It's like, okay. Sorry, we're going off on a tangent about solar panels. Curt loves the environment. He's fine with it. This whole beginning of the scene is so wild to me because yes, he does the weird face, the smug face thing he does. I thought it was funny, but it is very bizarre. He also, before that, turns down the light dimmer. And I watched this a couple of times. They don't do anything as an effect. They don't do anything to turn the lights down. It is the exact same lighting, but he turns the dial down and then looks around like, yeah, that's what I wanted it to be. Oh, that's weird because I felt like the lights dimmed. Did they not? There was no change. I didn't see any change. I was looking for change. I was duped then. He mined it and you bought it is what happened. Yeah, I'm in. That was enough for me. That's revealing. That's revealing. Let's assume this isn't the first date. Sure. It's really tough either way. I feel like having your lights dim to start the date is a little aggressive. But you know, people are weird about light. I'm a person who likes a lot of light, but I've made some friends who seem almost vampiric in their opposition to having light in the house. Interesting. We should dive into that later. Okay. I do enjoy when Niles is like all set on, it's gotta be the balcony. We've got to recreate this other point in time. As soon as Daphne's like, oh, the roof, that sounds romantic. He's on board. No convincing needed. He's ready to go. I think all three of us would be in the same boat. On both beats. Absolutely. A hundred percent. It is a good question though. Is roof more romantic than balcony? I can't imagine. Because I understand like in a TV show context, why a roof, like they did this in the office. Like they did a roof scene that was super romantic. Like this is definitely a thing that works on TV. I've been on enough roofs to know they're not like romantic places. It's just tar and like all kinds of utilities that are, you know, poking through the buildings. You don't think the hum of an HVAC is a little romantic? Well, and also like the thing of like what's going to happen where they're going to get tracked up there. Like I don't think there is a version of going on any roof, like a building roof that's flat. Not, I'm not talking about like a dangerous, like slanted roof, but like you go on a apartment buildings roof. There's no scenario where you're not paranoid the whole time, but you're going to get locked up there. Yeah. You definitely know the lock situation better than they seem to have a grasp on. We also learned that Marty does fill out the application here, which was mind boggling. Yes. It really sends Frazier into a tizzy. It's not me into the tizzy a little bit. Like we know it's not going to happen, but it's like, why would he do that? It made no sense at the time. It's wild. Maybe it's not wild, but it is interesting that it kind of breaks up the date. Like all we get is that tidbit. We don't see any more of this date. It doesn't seem later like the date lasted long after this. They spent the first half of the episode setting up. We got to get Frazier together with this woman. And that is all abandoned at this point. Yeah. There's not really a clear a storyline in this episode. The A storyline evolves as the episode goes on, which is an interesting way to do it. The A story. Why isn't the A story clear, Brad? I think the A story, it starts off with the A story being him interested in this girl, and it really migrates to him caring about his father. Oh, you know what? Yeah, you're right. Ha. Yeah. Bamboozled. Yeah. You're dead on. I didn't think that was so crazy. Curt, this is a first. We probably need a drop for this. I don't think it's going to happen a lot, so we should really celebrate this moment. Maybe we should just drop the show and end it here. Thank you, guys. It's been a great three and a half season, almost four season run. 124 podcast episodes, season eight, episode three of Frazier. This seems like the natural end point. You thought this podcast was about us doing a Frazier rewatch. It was actually about Brad making one good point. Yes. We will pick up the show in about 24 years. Nothing has passed. Okay. I think we're back. We get a title card. Better a windshield than his teeth. Wind threatens to blow away their picnic, so Daphne and Niles search for heavy things. Niles winds up trapped in a locked stairwell, and Daphne trapped on a locked roof. Is Woggles the single worst name you've ever heard? I thought about making that what I call Brad for that reason. It does kind of give you Brad-y vibes, doesn't it? It's something I would say. It's definitely something I would come up with. Okay, but for your significant other, your lover? For a British person. When I saw that, I was like, yep, that makes sense for it. It made sense to me. Like, yeah, a British person, you would call them Woggles. Hey, Woggy. Woggy is better than Woggles. Fair enough. Again, for like a Muppet, yeah, Woggy is great. Woggles, if you're like, you know, like a Teletubby, that's great. It's not for the person you're dating. We all know I like to give someone a nickname and then shorten their own nickname till it gets small and small enough, so it sounds like something I would do. Again, the premise is that you would ever call someone Woggles is horrible. Woggles to Woggy to Wawa to W. I think Wawa and W are so, so much better. They're still bad. They're so, so much better than Woggles and Woggy. W as a nickname for somebody named Daphne Moon is wild. It's much better than Woggles. Although, you know what? If Woggles isn't the worst, Cuddles is awful. Cuddles is bad in so many ways, but at least it's grounded in something. Yeah, you get where it's coming from at least, yeah. Yeah. You know what? If anyone listening calls their significant other Woggles, get at me. Like, I want to hear about this. I've got a best guess. Woggles is an abbreviation of Niles' wandering eye, Ogles Daphne. Okay. That was a good attempt, sir. That was pretty good. Maybe it's like, because you know how her dad calls her stilts. Maybe she, like, isn't very well balanced. I don't know. That would have been a better joke if he tried out stilts and she's like, my dad calls me that. That's gross. And then we got a call back to her later. Oh, that would have been great. I do love when he distracts her just to throw it over the peanut brittle, even though he does a terrible job of throwing it, and then it sets off a car alarm. Describing peanut brittle as broken bits of pottery is insane. I remember watching this episode as a kid, and I had never had peanut brittle. I'd never heard of peanut brittle. My introduction to peanut brittle was this. That's amazing. I think the show is trying to make the joke that she's such a bad cook that her peanut brittle is, like, shards of glass and, like, impossible to, like, chew through. But I genuinely thought for far too much of my life that peanut brittle, as a rule, is this, like, horrible, impossible-to-chew thing. And it's just, like, why would anybody make that? It can be quite hard, especially when it's cold. And you kind of got to assume it was a little cold this night. Like, it probably was a tough snack. So when did you come? Do you like peanut brittle now? Or have you not recovered from your introduction from Frasier? Because eventually I, like, made the connection because I remember thinking back to this episode and being like, oh, this is peanut brittle? This isn't that bad. Oh, that's fun. I don't know the last time I had it. It's not something I have often. I don't have a lot of exposure to it. It's not apparently a Midwest staple. But, you know, it's fine. Now to Brad's point, his grenade toss of the peanut brittle was amazing. An elite throw from Niles. I feel like they really nailed the timing of him throwing it and then you hear the... I don't know if there was a crash, but there was definitely the car alarm going off. Yeah, there was a car alarm going off. Yeah, no crash. Because she's, like, baffled that the wind took it, right? Like, I wish she threw in something like, oh, I added some thickening to make it extra... You know, I was worried about the wind. Like, to really explain why he had a hard time cheering through it. Eh, I don't know if he needed that, but sure. I would have wrote it better had I had time. Sure. You would have been like, ah, really? This scene's top tier. If only that one line was written. As they're trying to deal with the wind, and I think it's Daphne grabs the cement block. Like, it's holding the door open, Daphne. Like, you put it there for a reason. What are you doing? Why do you think this is a good idea? This is a good logistics question. Did she put it there? It's hard to imagine Niles bringing a cement block, but I assume it's, like, up there. Yeah. I don't think they brought it with them. Yeah, I'm sure someone slid it. One of the two of them chose to open the door with that. Right. I guess, was it Niles or was it Daphne? Because if Daphne's the one who put it there, and then she's the one who picks it up, that's crazy. Well, and we know she has a key, because she's going to try to, like, slide it under the door, but it's, like, sealed shut. What is this door situation that is locked on both sides? Is that how doors work? It can, especially a door like that that has roof access. It kind of makes sense. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think there's ever been a door that's locked four ways. Absolutely not. If it's going to double lock inside to the stairwell, you're not also getting the extra double lock at the bottom of the stairs. There's 0% chance that's happening. Because, presumably, if Daphne has the key, which we know she does, and she can't use it to get through to the stairway, then that means that it unlocks, the stairway door to the roof unlocks from inside the stairway. Why would the other door also unlock from the... Wouldn't it go from the other side? Definitely. Okay, let's say we do have this weird double lock. The key would definitely work on both doors. Right. Because how would they have even gotten in to the stairwell to get up to the roof if the key didn't work for that? I guess it's... There's three locks, right? You can always get there from inside the building, but then as soon as you cross that door, it locks. You go up to the roof. You have to get a key onto the roof. Once you cross it, it locks. Then a different key unlocks it from the outside. I'm getting more confused the more I'm talking. I'm completely lost. I'm now convinced this is airtight. This is... The logic they worked out for this works perfectly because I can't make heads near tails of this lock situation. This is as airtight as the door. Look, as we're trying to figure this out, Niles is freaking out in this little hallway. He's having to calm himself down. And we talked about this being the Frasier we like to see. This is the Niles I like to see. Some sort of paranoia may be justified. I doubt it. I assume there's air coming in from the bottom door, but I don't know. It'd be weird if his air tied both ways. Neurotic, nervous, Niles. Not just neurotic and nervous, but like man who is trying to calm down others while he himself implodes in anxiety is just a lot of fun as a dialogue choice. I mean, I assume he's going through like claustrophobia, right? Like Brad, like what would you be doing in this situation? I would either be doing one of two things. I wouldn't shut the fuck up or I'd pass out. Would you run at the door full body? With 0% force? With 100% force, but yes, I would 1000% do crazy shit like that. Frasier apologizes to Marty and asks him not to move out. Marty's plan isn't to move, but to swindle these rubes at the residence-only poker game. Frasier insists he give their money back. I don't know why I wrote it here. Rain is an absolute plot point. Yeah, nothing in this scene. Well, oh, nothing. Okay, wait a minute, Brad. You have to talk in this scene. Are you kidding me? No, nothing about rain. You said rain. Oh yeah, okay, sorry. Yeah, that's what I was saying. I thought you were saying you had nothing to say. I was like, you have to have something to say. I was just wondering, you're coming about rain. Sorry, sorry. I got something to say. I really do like the vulnerability and the forgiveness of the scene. Like I actually think it's really nice the way that Frasier is coming hat in hand to Marty to be like, I'm so sorry for the way I treated you. And Marty's like, yeah, man, it's cool. Like we're good. For all of their foibles, this family is actually kind of, they kind of work. Yes. And the only thing I'll say is Marty just wanted to get back to that poker game. He could have cared less. We're going to, we're going to do that poker game in a second. I want to know, but trade real quick. This is the most unearned bullshit that Frasier's ever tried to pull. Not Frasier, the character, Frasier, the show, where they're just like, dad, I care about you so much. I couldn't finish a date because I was worried sick thinking about the fact that you might move into an old person home. Like what? And then he's like, because I need you. Like, what is any of this? None of this has been ever on display. You would have thought they would dig deeper into this instead of just a back and forth comment that goes nowhere. I think this worked for me because I feel like the kind of crazy way Frasier tries to use his father at the beginning of the episode, to me it's like he takes Marty for granted. Like he's just like always there. It's like a part of his life. And I think that he sort of doesn't feel like he needs to do much to satisfy his father in any way. Like he doesn't have to like honor him in any way. He just is sort of selfish about it. But the minute he realizes he might not have his father around, that does bother him. Do you buy it? I clearly did. Like I hear your criticism. Now that you've woken up and now that your eyes have been opened again and you're not like drinking the Kool-Aid of the old person home. Like do you really buy that? I think I do. I think your criticism is fair and reasonable and I think it's well stated. I just, I don't feel it in my bones. Brad break the tie. I think he was being genuine. I don't know why. The problem is we don't know why. Again, I think Frasier, the character, was being genuine in that moment. I do think that. No, writers too. I knew the writers were being genuine too, that this is what they wanted, but they just did it to a great job of the back part of it, of like, why is this affecting him so much? Or ever showing it ever again. Exactly. Yes. Okay, fine. You can talk about poker now. So one is, if you're going to play a poker game, you win the money. It doesn't matter how bad they are playing, they're making that agreement. So Frasier even insinuating that he should give the money back is completely wrong. Amen. Amen to that. Yes. If you're going to play the game, you got to know when to hold him, you got to know when to fold him. You got to know when to walk away when the dealing's gone. And even if you don't, like, you agreed to place the bet, like, I agree with you both. It's totally fair game. Like, Marty's doing nothing wrong here. 100%. But then I do love that all it takes is for Frasier to see how terrible poker players they are, for him to be like, it's okay. Are you, is this a dream of yours, Brad? I can play poker against old people. Sure. No, that's not the question. The question is, is it a dream of yours to play against the three worst poker players you've ever heard? He answered the question he wanted to answer. Okay, well, now you're going to answer the question I want you to answer because it's the Twitter question of the week. Yes! So where is somewhere you dream of playing your cards right? Brad, why don't you answer first? I would just like my football team that I cannot say out loud to win against football players that are as equivalent, as bad at football as these players are to poker. Not Twitter question of the week. Why can't you answer that? Why can't you say their names? Oh, because, because I don't, I, until they win a Super Bowl, I will not say their name, but that's a different story for a different day. Okay, as always, just an awful answer from Brad. Curt, how about you? For dinner tonight, we went to the local grocery store and got like prepared foods from the grocery store, which is a really, not depressing at all. The fact that your mind jumps right to groceries is such a tough start. That's it, Curtis. I only was willing to grab things that were like out under a heat lamp to grab. My husband went to like the deli counter and like got all kinds of much better stuff that you had to ask for. I do not want to ask for things of service workers. I do not want to ask for something behind a counter. So my answer to your question is, I dream of going into any kind of store of any kind and everything is just available for me to grab without ever having to talk to or interact with a person. Self-check out, like the whole thing. So your idea is just to be lazy. Got it. It's not lazy. It's social anxiety. It's just the most carny thing we've ever heard. Yeah. Well, those were two wildly atrocious answers. I'm certain all of you could do better. So please get at us anywhere you can tweet other than Twitter for your Twitter question of the week. I gotta say, Curt, though, I went to Whole Foods the day before Thanksgiving, maybe the day of Thanksgiving, and bought all of our groceries for Thanksgiving, which was crazy. And I talked to more grocery store workers than I ever have in my life. Every one of them was the most helpful and it was like the most great interaction I've ever had with anyone. I was like, I might just come back here more often because of how delightful the conversation is. Oh, I've never had a bad interaction. They like made me more good about the interactions. Yeah. My husband will ask service workers questions when he has questions instead of just leaving and Googling. And it always works out great and they're always so helpful and so kind and so wonderful and I still just can't do it. Do you think it's because you think of them as service workers and he thinks of them as people? I think it's because he looks at them as employees whose job and purpose is to help him if he needs help and I look at them as people who probably don't want to have to do their job and I am an inconvenience to them. I want to be out of their way. Hard to know who's worse. Yeah. Anyway, Niles panics over spiders. Daphne enjoys the meteor shower and picnic food and Niles ultimately tries to be a hero but the door doesn't budge. Okay, a fun dynamic for a scene, right? We got two people on the other side of a door. Like that's a good setup for any scene. I think we should have more of this. They do kind of play it a little bit how I expected but it did end up being a little sweeter than I would have written it and I think for the better. I think they did a good job with that part but I think all the jokes were kind of by the numbers. The nickname he kind of settles on and they both like is my love and have we heard him use that? I can't quite remember if that's like something we've heard sprinkled throughout or if this is like something they came up with here and never brought up again. He 100% says it but it doesn't sound like a nickname because it isn't. It's just a phrase people say. He started with Woggles. We'll take it. It's just not a nickname, right? Like it's just a way you could address someone that you're dating. Yeah. I think to Ryan's point I think Niles does say it often but you're never thinking about it like oh okay it's just him being him. It doesn't sound like a cutesy nickname. No. It's not cutesy. We like cutesy on the show. Give him some examples. The three of us our personalities are just cutesy. Ew. That was the grossest answer you could have ever given. Ryan you brought up the idea of like the two doors characters on either side of it being a really fun dynamic. I love what they do with it. I mean I know you said it's kind of obvious jokes and it is but I still enjoy when he tells her she must be starving you can you know eat the picnic food and she's like got a full mouth. Like I love that. Only thing annoying about that was it sets up more of the Fatney storyline. I think normally that's a fine thing to do knowing what we're going to do the next 12 episodes it annoyed me. I wasn't thinking about that but you're right. I think the premise is fine. I think that's a hilarious thing to do. It's just annoying where it is in the greater Frasier. Frasier plays us out with the Night Watchmen opening the door. As they gather their picnic the door shuts again trapping them once more. Yeah. I mean you had to. You had to do it. I don't like we can't do a double. He's going to hear him knock like stupid. I don't know. I don't know. You mean the double like getting locked out. Yeah. They would have easily got his attention. Yeah. I agree. Or he's doing it maliciously which is like mildly funny but it doesn't work for a scrambled egg. No. Yeah. I mean I agree. It was not good but Brad did you think this episode was good? I like an episode where a lot of little things happen but nothing big happens like and that's how I would describe this episode like it was a lot of mini things. We've already talked about how Okay. Get the fuck out of here. You've never What is this criteria? First of all it's nonsense. Also you've never said this. I say it every episode. We're all hoping for something small. Nothing too big. You hit too many scenes. Like what are you talking about? There was a lot of scenes in this. There's eight. I usually like seven or less as I've said very clearly. It's a little too much for Brad O'Pants over here. At the end of the day I like the episode. I'm going to give it a score of a B. That's it. Just a B. Curtis what do you think? Yeah I mean this was fairly middle of the road for me. I gave it a 45 out of 104. So in the top half but pretty close to the middle. I thought it was better than Love Stinks where we meet Roger but not as good as the new Frasier episode of The Fix is In. That's the Andy Daly one. I do think that's your fairest ranking I've heard in many months. Oh I don't agree. I think the trash one was way better. Alright well where did you put this? I agree with your rating. Brad's I guess we didn't factor that a lot of little things happened. Thank you. But this was a good Niles episode. There was some sweet stuff from Daphne and Niles we really haven't got much of for a relationship that's just starting. It was an okay Marty episode. I like Frasier on a bus and that is all the good things I ultimately had to say really. Ultimately I think this was a pretty weak Frasier episode for what we set up for. And we have this a long Frasier-Marty storyline that I didn't think was particularly good. And we do nothing with the lady that sort of sets up all the episode for no reason. She seemed fine. We could have got some minutes out of her. Nothing. So I'm with you Curt. This was pretty middle of the pack. I gave it a 4.9. Easily the lowest I've given this season. Oh the lowest of the season? By far I think too. Yeah I don't know if I agree with that. I mean I don't rank them all every time so I don't remember. Right. I thought they did a lot of set up and they had some strong moments but ultimately I think we left a lot on the table. I'm looking through the episodes and a lot of them you know are they better or worse than this? It's up to taste. Like it really is not that clear because yeah it's middle of the road. I don't know how you can possibly think this is worse than Hungry Heart. That's the episode where they send Daphne to Fat Camp. I forget why but I ended up way too high on that one and everyone was appalled. You did. And you even admitted you were a little high on that one. Yeah. Niles and Daphne get locked on a roof and in a stairwell. Marty and Frayder spend time at a retirement home. We will combine these two settings in an escape room style series of puzzles set on a retirement home's roof. It's a segment we're calling Escape Roof. I would love to go to an escape room that is just on a roof. That would be incredible. I would like to go to an escape room that's on a roof of an old person's home. Like that sounds great so let's do it. Obviously we are starting on the roof so to get through the lock we will have to pick it or break it but the only tools at our disposal will be food items. Let's assume this is a fancy ass roof that has a full kitchen and I'm sure that's a thing. What can we whip up that is as aggressive as Daphne's peanut brittle to break out of here? So normal setup for an escape the roof type of situation is we have every single food item available to us is that correct? The pantry is stocked like a TV game show about food. Brian this is what comes to mind and you're going to have to help me think this out. Before you go on to this Brad I just have to take a moment to say the roof pantry is a wild concept. I don't know what this means this is my first thought okay? I want to hear it. Let us through. We're trying to break a lock Brad. Yeah so hear me out hear me out. Oh this is for the lock. Oh no. Hear me out. You make a rope out of the lettuce you tie the lettuce to the lock and you just pull that baby off. Okay before we get into how nonsensical that is can you describe the lock Curt? Is that available to us? Yeah that's a great question actually. I think it's a pretty standard kind of a lock like yeah just a standard lock I don't know what you want to be honest. You know there's multiple kinds of locks right? Give me an example and I'll tell you which one's right. Let's start with is there a keyhole? Is it a knob? Do you push things? Yeah there's a keyhole and a knob like any door. Keyhole knobs I'm Curt that's the answer we're looking for not it's just like all doors in history. Okay so Ryan what other food would you like to use? Wait do you still want to use this lettuce room now it gets a knob? That's crazy. No it's not gonna work. Hold on hold on hold on we're backing up why did what kind of a door setup would make sense with lettuce room? Why does this change the map? With a little lever I thought that was fine yeah I was with Brad until we heard the description. Rope is a good idea some kind of rope fashion from food great idea you could do sausage links you could do all kinds of things you would have like this how you make that into rope I don't know and it's so brittle. Yeah lettuce is terrible. Well you could cook it down you could cook it down Curt. Can you let us solve this Curtis? Come on. Yeah are you part of the team? What is your role here by the way? Oh I'm participating yeah. You want to hear my idea? Shouldn't I go first since this is your scenario? Go ahead. So I want to bake a little baguette and I want to wildly overcook it and then break off a couple chunks and turn that into like a lockpick set. Okay. I was with you for the first half where you like over bake some bread and get it real hard so you could like smash the door. That made sense to me. I'm not sure how you're turning bread into a lockpick. Well I'm gonna break off pieces of this very very burnt bread and it's gonna turn into like the perfect slivers for a lockpick. The problem is again like it's gonna turn to dust it's not gonna turn to... No Curt the problem is I don't know how to pick a lock. Well okay that's gonna be my problem too but let me tell you how I am gonna go about getting the lockpick. I'm gonna roast a turkey alright? Of course she does. Of course you're gonna go right to it. The bones in the wings of this thing are gonna be small and nimble but strong enough that I'm gonna be able to pick this lock. Oh. Okay. That's not right. That's not it right? It doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right. I'm sorry Mr. Lettuce and bread I'm sorry that my actual thing shaped like a lockpick isn't gonna work. Here's my new idea Ryan and tell me if this is crazy. I'm actually gonna co-sign and before you say it I'm fully on board with whatever Brad says. Got it. I will not regret this. Here we go. We take Cheez Whiz okay? Yep. Yep. We just pour Cheez Whiz into that lock into the lock into the hole. Yeah. In the hole. Yeah. We overwhelm it with whiz. Yeah. You just whiz it up. Yeah. Whiz it up. I think that sounds right. Hold on. I do think that's a terrible idea. I thought you were going a different route with this which is if you got something like a high proof vodka and like put that in the hole and then set it on fire like explode the door open. You're giving us a fully stocked liquor cabinet too Curtis? Once Brad whiz has opened the door I want to do that anyway Curt just for fun. Before we leave. Okay. I just didn't know we also had alcohol as well too. Can we get hammered too while this is happening? We're at this escape room and you think we didn't get hammered to get into this situation? Oh that's a good question. Wait is this did we get locked or is this like a commercial like did we pay to be here? The game is designed around an escape room concept but obviously this is a a drunken escapade that went out of hand. Oh okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. I want to make Manhattans for everyone. Okay. I haven't enjoyed the Manhattan I'm going to enjoy the fire but what actually opened the door was apparently Cheez Whiz. Ardened. Ardened. Cheez Whiz. We've got to specify. So we find ourselves now locked in the stairwell. There is a keypad lock that requires a series of passcodes to open. The passcodes are all nicknames of the retirement home staff. I do have a list of the staff names but we're going to have to figure out the nicknames to see what works. Wobbles. I'm going to start with Wobbles. Sorry Woggles. I've got so many names here. Number one Andy Bonecutter. Oh okay. What? Okay. I'm sorry is a UFC fighter here? What are you talking about? That is a name that I've collected over my years of collecting names I've seen. You would just call him Bonecutter because that's sick. Do we have to nickname him? Yeah you call him BC. You definitely call him BC. It's the worst case I'm calling him Bones but like Bonecutter. So cool. Yeah I say you call him BC and people are like what does that mean? And you go that's the Bonekiller. Bonekiller? What? No sorry. Whatever you said. Bonekiller. I kind of like Bonekiller though. Bonekiller could work. And then that kind of morphs into like osteoporosis. That's good. We call him the BK. What? Once they turn it into Bradley Kirkston next. I wasn't even thinking about myself. That can't be right. Andy Bonecutter's nickname being Bradley Kirkston. I actually think that's what we should plug into the device. Punch it in. It worked. We have to get a few more though. Arthur Turtle. What are these two? Stop giving us nickname names. All right. How about Atticus Rush? You call him To Kill a Mockingbird. You definitely call him Rush. What do you mean? I'm To Kill a Mockingbird. Rush is a cool name. Stop giving us cool ones. All right. How about Avis Davis? Yeah that's good. What do you call him? Adolph. Oh Brad. What? Okay. But we know where you're going with this fad. We're not doing that. I would shake his hands. Avis Davis. That's interesting. I'm only hearing Mavis like the Yeah. Car rental people right? Yeah. Avis Davis. I would probably call him mostly because I would think this was his name but I would probably call him Mavis Pavis. That's longer. That's the nickname. You know me. I like to have long names for things. I think I go like the car rental thing. I call him like rent or something. Rent a car? Yeah. Rent a car is good. Oh yeah. I can go with the car. All right. Plug it in. Next up. Brisco Motes. What are these names dude? What are you talking about? He's the real names of real people somewhere in the world. Yeah. I'm calling him Bristol, Connecticut. Those Brisco and Motes are a cool name. Yeah. I'm calling him Bristol, Connecticut. Hands down. Right. Why would you call him ESPN? Oh Espen. Yeah. I'm calling him ESPN. Yeah. ESPN. I'll sign him to ESPN. ESPN plugging it in. There are a few more names here. We've got Cesar Montero. Cesar Salad. Cesar Salad. Yep. Let's call him Salad. Fair enough. Salad. Okay. Yep. How about Chance Hartwell? Chance the Rapper. I'm your Monopoly. Maybe. Yeah. That could work too. Put them both in. Okay. Colette Wonderlick. Licky. Yeah. I. Yeah. Wonderlick could work too. Colette. Isn't that like a toothpaste? Yeah. It is. Ryan. Wonderlick is the name of the like the written test that all the NFL players have to take in the combine before the draft. Okay. But what do you do with that as a nickname? The liquor. You know what? Amazingly. The liquor worked. Thank God. Mercifully. I think I'm two for two with ideas of how to get out of here so far. So pretty proud of myself. This is pretty bratty. We've got Cornelius Pettigrew. That was the guy from Harry Potter, right? The rat. I mean, Harry Potter is pretty good. This one makes no sense. I was going to go with CGBBG just because, I don't know, it was popping. Just because you had a stroke? I think this is my favorite name on the list. It made me laugh out loud when I read it to myself earlier today. Dick Powers. Oh, I love that. Again, I'm definitely just calling him Dick Powers, full name every time. Maybe going Richard Powers, like if I'm, I don't know, mad at him or something. Dick Powers is like, that's like just, it invites this imagery of like a superhero who has like penis power. Right. I want to know more. Or like a man who's like really good in bed. He's got some Dick Powers. That's literally the plot of Austin Powers, isn't it? Essentially. Yeah. Austin Powers. There you go. Or Austin. Dick Powers. We'll call him Austin. There you go. It works. Ginger Meadows. Gingerbread. Ginge. Ginge. Yeah. Ginge is also good. Wait, Ginger Meadows. Wait, is that a porn star? Did you find out all of these are porn stars? That's how I know them. I mean, Dick Powers obviously is. Like Dick Powers and Ginger Meadows have definitely done a film together. Porn star. This is called Ginger Meadows porn star. All right. I like this one. Joanne McTavish. Fabrics. It's Joanne Fabrics. You should call her Fabrics. Yeah. I'm only hearing the Joanne as well. Yeah, but they went out of business. What do we call her? Bankrupt. Oh, okay. Okay. Bankrupt worked. A few more. What were these people? The people that work here? These are all the employees of the retirement home. What is this lock system? You could be on a nickname basis with everyone in the place to get through the door. Milto Stamatopoulos. My guess is Milkdud. What was it? Milto Stamatopoulos. Yeah, Milkdud's pretty good, actually. Milkdud's pretty good. Shelby Van Winkle. Uh, Pappy. Pappy's good. That's solid. And we've got one more. Zoltan Molnar. Zoltan. Yes, I'm only hearing Zoltan too, but not a nickname, so it doesn't count. What about Don't Mess With Him? Or that's not a nickname either, but something to do with it. That's Zohan. Adam Sandler. Yeah, you're thinking of Zohan. Sandman. Sandman. There we go. Okay, we got there. Guys, the door just opened. Oh, thank God. Been here for six hours. Now we find ourselves in the retirement home itself. Did you establish this was a retirement home? Yes, he did. Multiple times. Okay. But we are stopped at the exit by staff who are convinced Brad is actually a resident and should not be allowed to leave with us. And who could blame them? But we are going to interrogate Brad with questions to prove he's in his 30s. And we won't leave until we've convinced the staff. So Ryan, you and I have to come up with things to get questions to ask Brad that he can answer in a way that will prove he's in his 30s. I would like to get in character. Who are you? Me? Yeah. We just heard all the employee names. Nope. We heard all the employee names. Which one? Who are you? You guys are employees. You're trying to sneak me out, Ryan. That's the... Oh, I got that confused. I thought we were... I thought me and Curt were the people who worked there. No, no, no. You and I are going to come up with questions to ask Brad to like... Dick Powers is standing right there. And we're trying to convince him to let Brad leave. And we're like, look, he's 30. See? He'll answer this way. Oh, that's a weird setup. So I'll go first. I'll give you an idea of the kind of question I thought might give us some insight into Brad's age. I want to tell you, Curt, I am intimidated that it's Dick Powers that we've run into. It's a problem. Will you tell Dick what time you get up and what time you go to bed? Yeah. Like every 30-year-old, I'm usually up by like 5.30 and I go to bed by 9.15, 9.30. Oh, okay. That's not helping us. Tell them what your favorite hobby is, Brad. That'll clear it up. Playing variants of poker that no one else plays. Like Let It Ride, three-card poker. Once you say variants of poker, you're good. That is... The question has been answered. What's your favorite slang word? You know, what are the kids saying that you like to say? Obviously, it's WhatsApp. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's Boomer all the way. Brad, just tell them your job. I run summer camps for children. I think they just call the cops. The delivery was tough, Brad. You're spry. I'll do something about your ailments. So tell them how many ailments you have. Yeah, why don't you just ask a question about my vision? Oh, yeah. Tell them about your vision. Yeah, I mean, my vision's really good. I've only had one cornea transplant. So, like, I'm pretty good. That's pretty good. What's your favorite candy? Kids love candy. What's your favorite? Where are those originals? Is that a real answer? No, I mean, it's going with that thing. I like, you know, actually, this is my real answer, but this does not help my case. I like the flavored Tootsie Rolls. You know what I mean? That is exactly the answer that you should have given for this prompt. Yeah, the flavored Tootsie Rolls. I think that's way worse than what I'm going to put it out there, Ryan. I think that might be the winning answer to get us out of here, because I also like those. I think you're both stuck here, and I'm leaving you two in this old people home. You know what, Ryan? That's what happened. They were trapping Brad. They captured me. You got off scot-free, though. So why don't you tell us what to expect next week when we cover the previous episode at Season 8, Episode 2, and The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon, Part 2. Okay. I'm going to just read this as written first, and then we're going to try a second attempt. Daphne, of course, is the big spoon making Niles. So she's his mom? Is that what we're supposed to get from that? That's gross. I mean, there's a comma, but yeah, that is how it reads. And I'm not going to lie, I don't think that she's going to birth Niles this episode. That would be crazy. That would be a real surrealist turn for Frasier. What I was getting at is that Niles is the dish that ran away, which means that he's a hot ticket item. Mel's going to be there. Maris is going to be there. And Daphne's going to be there. We're going to get the trifecta. We won't see Maris somehow, because for whatever reason. That's really exciting. Which definitely will happen and makes sense. Well, we'll find out if this episode's going to make any sense when we get to it. But for now, that will do it for us. Thanks to Gavin McLeod for our theme music, and thank you for listening. I suppose you don't really care if this podcast is successful. You would never take five minutes out of your precious day to go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a review. You don't use Facebook, YouTube, or Instagram, or TikTok. You aren't curious what happens if you search for Reverse Psych Pod? Lord knows you can't be bothered to shoot us an email at reversepsychpod at gmail.com. For myself, for Ryan, and for Brad, Curtis has entered the domicile. Curt, I would like to call for a two-minute intermission. Okay, granted. Brad, I'm looking at my notes, and I have Roof written so many times. I'm like, is that how you spell Roof? Is that a word? It's one of those words that if you look at it too many times, you're like, it's wrong. There's no way. Yeah. Oh, I thought Ryan was going to perform for us for this intermission. It's not what an intermission is. It's the opposite of an intermission. An intermission is the performance stops. Well, yeah. Well, you know, sometimes you have like a sideshow, and I thought he was going to be our side performer. All righty. I'm excited to play this game that makes absolutely no sense, Curtis. It's going to be great. Yeah. And intermission. Okay. Okay. I heard your whole bit, by the way. Brad being like, will he perform for intermissions? Incredible.