The Devil and Dr. Phil

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• Participants: Curtis Schack Ryan Sansone Bradley Kirkston
• Preserved extraction wording (automatic transcript; may contain recognition errors): Reviewed full source context: Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Frasier Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight, we're covering Season 10, Episode 21, The Devil and Dr. Phil, which originally aired on April 29th, 2003. Is this episode opus faulty? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Schack. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer, Ryan Sansone. Oh, Curtis, there's a real doctor tonight. I'm so excited. Also with us today is our huckster. It's Bradley Kirkston. I'm a huckster? I never thought I'd be a 1940s cartoon character. That's so cool. Why didn't you call him the devil? That seems like an easy move. Well, I'm saving now. Oh, for when the real devil shows up. There'll be plenty of opportunity to call me the devil. Great. Wonderful. Yeah. Hopefully. We can only hope. Are you guys like just in general Dr. Phil fans before you even get into the episode? Is that something you guys like? No, I do not. I do not care for him. I don't think anybody is a Dr. Phil fan anymore. Is he even famous still? I like genuine question. He's retired from a show. His show went off the air a couple years ago. I think most of the time his people, women, I should say, between the ages of 50 and 78 are big fans. I can't believe he doesn't have a TikTok or something. That seems like the perfect venue for him. You don't have to be accurate or right. You just kind of have to be weird and goofy. He would thrive there, wouldn't he? Yeah, I agree. I tried to practice my Dr. Phil voice because I thought, oh, maybe I can get it good for the show. It's just, it's not good enough. And I don't want to embarrass anybody. No, no. It's all right. We'll cut it if we have to. Let's hear it. All right. Welcome to the Dr. Phil show. My name is Dr. Phil McGraw. I am a psychiatrist and I'll give you a bus. Is that his last name or are you? Yes. Yes, yes it is. I thought you just leaned into the accent you were doing. No, you pooh-poohed at the start for one of your better accents. I heard the McGraw. I didn't hear the Dr. Phil. I'm Dr. Philip McGraw. Oh, you know what? I did get here at that time. Oh, I really did practice this for like 20 minutes earlier. Now we're getting back into forest, Gumpy. Get a good run. Develop that guy. If you were on the Dr. Phil, show and I was not actually Dr. Phil, the real Dr. Phil was there. What topic do you think you would go on the Dr. Phil show for? You know, I don't know. I didn't watch Dr. Phil. I don't know what topics they covered. Any ridiculous, insane things that you could think of. Here's something that happened to me today. Like when you're a parent, sometimes weird shit happens. My daughter is like two, two and a half. She's getting super into like imagination and stuff. So I pick up a box, right? And she, she goes, dad, you've grabbed the cave. You've picked up the cave. And I, without even thinking about it, snap at her. I go, you can't pick up a cave. And I'm not going to lie. I've been thinking about it for like six hours since. I don't know what that issue is, but I'm sure Dr. Phil can help me out with it. He probably can. I don't even know if it's right. I don't know if you can pick up a cave or not. I like, I'm, I'm off the rails on this one. It sounds like your issue is your lack of creativity. Sorry, sorry. Do it in your Dr. Phil voice. It sounds like your issue is your lack of creativity. Now, dial down the Tom Hanks in a movie. It sounds like your issue is that you do not. No, you dialed up Tom Hanks. It sounds like you do not have any creativity. No, it's not. This isn't a creativity issue at this point. I'm saying like, can you pick up a cave? I don't know. If you're big enough, can you do that? Oh, this is your issue. Oh yeah. It's not that I snapped at her. Okay. Fine with the response. She took it. She's gotten over it. This is, I've been dealing with this question now, this philosophical question for a long time. I don't think so. And I also don't think that's something Dr. Phil necessarily could help you with, but he could help you with your, uh, you know, illusions you have about most things. So there's that. I don't know why I thought you were going to say chronic masturbation. Um, no, but speaking of chronic masturbation, Curtis, why would you go on the Dr. Phil show? Brad, your segments have gotten really good. Thank you. He's not good on the show, but he might be the new host. Well, I think my problem is that I'm a really rebellious, troubled teen, you know? Chronic masturbation is still in play. And, uh, so I'm just, I have, uh, I have a fear that, uh, somebody's going to cash me outside. How about that? Oh, I'm sorry. What? You don't remember the cash me outside. How about that girl? So the audience are a bunch of hoes. Yeah. Catch me outside. How about that? Huh? Catch me outside. How about that? Catch you outside. What does that mean? What I just said. I don't know what you guys are saying. Are you guys seeing some big deal? This is like the only Dr. Phil meme that took off. Like there was, there was this, this like 16, 15, 13, 13 year old, like rebellious teen who thought she was really cool or whatever. At one point he's talking to her and she just very casually says, catch me outside. How about that? Yeah. Catch me outside. How about that? Brad, that sounds like something you could translate. What, what's she saying? Like what's she talking about? She was trying to say, catch me outside. Is it like to fight? To fight Dr. Phil? Uh, audience members that were giving her a hard time about her. Don't they fight on Dr. Phil? Isn't that one of those shows? No, not really. Oh, I think you're thinking of Jerry Springer. Jerry Springer, yeah. He dead. Are those different? Is he dead? Yes. Oh, he is dead. So instead. I'm learning so much. Instead, she said, catch me outside. How about that? Yeah, you don't have to slow down. I think I'm caught up. I just thought that they fought inside. Catch me. Anyway. Now, so Curtis, I think you're, you're worried that you're going to go on Dr. Phil because you keep telling people to catch you outside, but you're terrible at fighting and you need to stop that abusive behavior to yourself. Wait, wait. When you say abusive behavior to myself, are you talking again about the masturbation? Yes. Chronic masturbation for the record. Chronic. Or is the problem that you refer to yourself as a teenager when you're at least 20 years past that? I like to think, you know, being a teenager is just a state of mind. Yeah, I don't think that's a Dr. Phil thing. I think that's a Chris Hansen thing. Please have a seat. Okay. Why are you here? I'm here to see my little girl. I wanted to show her daddy's thing. Oh, I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC. I can't wait until we get to the Frasier episode where he gets caught by Chris Hansen. We should, we should have had that already. Spoiler alert. I didn't, didn't watch the show. Is it your Chris Hansen any good? I have no idea. I mean, Chris Hansen just sounded like a white journalist. So it's not like. So yeah, or nay or nay. Just tell him. Curtis, was it a good impression or not? Because you two were both obsessed with that show. I haven't heard Brad's impression. You just did it. Are you listening to the show? Then no. Yeah, that did not. I did not pick that up in any way, shape, or form as an impression of Chris Hansen. Okay. Do you have a Dr. Phil you can ask Brad? Bradley, I want to know. What, what would you come on Dr. Phil for? Brad, what are your issues? That way, that one was a little bit more. You might be a right in that case. Yeah, isn't that what he is? It's not really. Isn't he the Disney fill in for the blue comic guys sometimes? And Curtis, you somehow sounded Jewish when you did yours. Oh, do it again. I'm Tim McGraw. I don't hear it. Terrible. It's Phil McGraw. I thought that was the joke. Tim McGraw is a country singer. I wish I was clever enough to make that joke on purpose, but that was. What if Tim McGraw filled in for Phil once in a while? It just tapped in. He'd probably do a better job. Well, if I did go on the Phil McGraw show, Dr. Phil. Does he say James Bondy like that? Is that how they did the intro? I am dealing with some, some angry issues and especially. Oh, you're going with boring one. I have a few weeks. With you, we could have so many good ones. When people call me the wrong name, when they refer to me as Brad and my name is Bradley, I just go absolutely crazy. And I see green because my name is not Brad. And people think it's funny to call me Bradley for absolutely no reason. Nope. I do think it's funny to call you Bradley. That is the whole joke. Sorry about that off the heads. No, you didn't. Now, Bradley. What? Or sorry. He would call you Brad just to get you mad. Because obviously we have to deal with your anger issues. Not the fact that. Or no, we have to deal with the fact that you're a crazy person for thinking Brad's not your name. Look, this is a very layered reason to call Dr. Phil. That's why it's a good one. There's lots of layers. I'm like an onion. You have to unpeel me. How many layers do you think there is, truthfully? On an onion? Or in Bradley Cursed? No. I was like, this is getting to a weird cooking show now. How many layers does it take to get to the center of an onion? One, two, three. Chill on. Three. Okay, wait. You think you would go on for your anger? My anger about people calling me the wrong name. And so when everyone in the audience starts saying Brad, how quickly would you have people cash you outside? How about that? Very quickly. You've got to say the whole thing right. It doesn't make sense. I don't know the meme. I don't know who you guys are talking about. I don't talk in memes. I'm sorry. I'm not a Gen V or whatever these kids are calling themselves. Her original name was Danielle Bregoli, but now she goes by Bad Baby. I don't know what's happening. Are you still talking about Dr. Phil? We're talking about the cash me outside? You're saying Bad Baby went on Dr. Phil, tried to fight the audience, now was on the internet. Correct. She's a rapper now. Oh, that's cool. Is her big song like Cash Me? Hi, bitch. Or is it How Bad Bet? It's Hi, bitch. Maybe not a lyrical genius. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Hi, bitch. Without the T. Just B-I-C-H. Bitch. She doesn't do T's. Is that her thing? Catch me outside. Would you have ever imagined that Dr. Phil would launch a rap career? I mean, it's not something I've thought about, but now it's like, okay, yeah.

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Meme discussion

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Episode recap and discussion

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The rating discussion

Brad gives C, Curtis ranks it 28th of 28, and Ryan gives 7.75. The ratings above use their own scales.

• Preserved extraction wording (automatic transcript; may contain recognition errors): Prompt: Brad, was this a good episode? Reviewed full source context: Brad, was this a good episode? Solidly terrible. See, it was just not a good episode. Terrible. See, I don't think C's count is terrible. You know, there is a D and an F as an option. I think Brad's gotten a terrible. See, I'm sure someone has written that on order of his papers. I wish I wasn't giving you a C. This is fucking terrible. Number one, I have to do it. As the, as episodes go on, I will give more and more clarity of how I do my grading, but I will only give a little more details to the other thing that I will say about my grading system is this is someone how they did it in my school where we did not have F's. E's counted as F's in my school. So that's the same grading system I will be using. And this gets a C. I don't need to say anything. You said it got a terrible C. Oh, sorry. It got a TC, a terrible C because what I said earlier, I'm just sick and tired of having 48 scenes. It's just, it's too much. I really get through anything. The jokes were stupid. The actors were, you know, don't get to do anything. As much as I love Dr. Phil and I do, I I'm the, I'm the biggest fan of him and the three of us. Clearly. I just felt like they wasted how they used him. They could have used him a lot more in this episode. They could have used a lot more Daphne. They could have, you know, I just, it's just wasn't for me. Doug. Wait, do you, you really wish there was more Dr. Phil acting? Absolutely. I bet you it would have been so much more entertaining if there was more Dr. Philly. That's a bananas take. That's an insane take. Also genuine question. Do you think that the, the more scenes in an episode, the worse it is? I, I just feel, no. Or do you just hate talking about it? Like, are you grading it down? Cause it sucks for us. I, no, seriously. On a personal note, I feel like, especially in sitcoms, but especially in this sitcom, when they have the longer scenes, you really like a little, get a little more in depth on the different characters. And it ends up being funnier. And I was hoping, we're going to nurse that. How could we not talk about in depth? And then when you're in high fidelity, because you're in the scene for two minutes, the fuck you talk? Yeah, exactly. And then, and then, you know, it's not funny because it just gets rushed. Everything. You think, actually, this explains a lot. You think that for a joke to land, it has to be set up for like six minutes. Yeah. Sums up, sums up my whole company. That tracks with you so bad. Yeah, I know. Right. Except for you usually do the joke and then explain the setup after. Or set up the joke and never tell it. You should do this new joke. I'm breaking up. I don't even forget. Will we hear it in depth? You will hear it left in depth. I rank the episodes against each other. Of the 28 episodes we've seen so far, this is number 28. This is the worst. Whoa. I thought you were coming stronger than that. I'm surprised. Are you surprised, Brad? I'm only surprised because he loved the scene that I hated. So I thought it would get a little higher than what he ate. Yeah. No, I, I mean, I'm biased in that. I don't really like Dr. Phil. I actually really like BB, but I don't really think she's that great in this episode. If you don't like Dr. Phil, this, this episode is fine. Like this doesn't make him out to look good. This is just, this is a very fun use of Dr. Phil. I would say, uh, the amount of praise characters gave him early in the episode, uh, offset any, uh, him being a bad person. The episode review. Oh, it, it, I wonder if the writers were like obligated to, to make him seem loved. I, yeah, you, you probably do want to soften them up a little bit. If, especially if the whole thing is you're making fun of the, the person. Oh, true. You have to do a little bit of like niceness or else. Why would they come on? I understand what they were doing. And I, I, I, I get it. I just would have rather he not appear on the show. I just didn't, didn't get a kick out of it. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. If this entire episode was one scene and it was just that scene, in the security office, I would have ranked it close to number one. Listen, Curt, we're not talking about our dream sequences. I haven't much higher than you guys. I'm surprised as weird as it was the scene where her, where she's the devil or whatever. It's seducing him. Like you can't do that in most shows in the moment. You're like, this isn't like natural, but it's funny and weird. And I like it. Like it's, this is a unique scene that isn't dramatically out of place on the show, which is good. You, you have to give it credit for that. And then that's all it up with them. Like the Marty scene, which is so fun. And so weird. These are two scenes that just don't belong anywhere else, but they feel perfectly fine in this world. And I love them. So even if some of the other stuff sucks. And again, you're making fun of Dr. Phil, like that's also the plot of the show. Great. Like it's not top marks. It's not the funniest stuff we've seen, but it's weird. It's unique. It's interesting. I liked it at a, like a medium clip. I'm giving it a terrible secret. No, I'm giving it a seven, seven, five. I thought that was good. You could have done much worse. All right.

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Closing conversation

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• Preserved extraction wording (automatic transcript; may contain recognition errors): Reviewed full source context: but that's going to do it for us today. Thanks to Kevin MacLeod for our theme music. Thank you for listening. Don't bother doing any of the subscribing and the, the rating and the reviewing reverse psych pod. If you want to find us online, but don't and reverse psych pod at gmail.com. If you want to talk to us, but I know you don't for myself, Ryan and Brad. Good morning, Havana. I hate you. Actually, Phil hit us up. That's all you have to do is just ask on a podcast. He doesn't listen to. Isn't he on some rap songs? He is. Doesn't he do some shitty, like white guy rap? Yes. What? They sampled some of his catchphrases and like raps and stuff. Oh, I think he actually physically different. I don't think. I don't know. Like actually contributing. I don't think he actually contributes any raps. I don't think that's true. Dr. Phil fought James Corden in, I think it's called rap battle. I don't. I don't know. It's like the little show he does on the James Corden show. I wouldn't count that as anything real. I don't know. I make it a point not to watch anything James Corden related. People hate that guy. People do hate that guy. It came out that he was not so nice to anybody, especially at restaurants. James Corden, if you want to be not nice to us, come on the show. Gmail us at whatever our handle is. I think that'll get it done. I think we're going to fuck him.