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Classic Frasier · Season 10 · Episode 2
Enemy at the Gate
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CurtisRyanBrad(ley)NO COMMON DENOMINATOR
Episode ratings.
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By way of introduction.
Resident upside downer; excited to do some gatekeeping.
Introduced as the parking attendant; insists he would be friendly while the others imagine constantly changing rules.
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Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight we're covering Season 10, Episode 2, Enemy at the Gate, which originally aired on October 1st in the year of Brad's Bar Mitzvah. Is this when Fraser says he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Sheck. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer. It's Ryan. I am excited to do some gatekeeping tonight. Also with us today is our parking attendant. It's Bradley Kirkston. I'll start right here.
Someone brought rules.
The games, the premises, and what everyone brought to the table.
Game / activity
Two truths and one false principled stand ↗
How this one works
Premise
- Curtis presents Two hills and a dot, the spoken title confirmed in the recording. Each host supplies three stands: two real and one false. The others identify the lie. Three rounds have explicit reveals, with no stated final scores or overall winner.
RESULT STATUS
No score or overall winner is recorded.
What was recorded
What everyone brought to the table · 3 recorded contributions
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Curtis · Unexpected fees and a medical-price story
Curtis’s first stand concerns an unexpected dentist copay; the second concerns an Apple tax estimate and customer-service call. The third claims he declined a recommended medical procedure because he could not get a price. The third is revealed as the lie and is not established medical history. Brad gives the explicit third-option guess. In the late exchange, Brad says three was the lie and Ryan repeats it; this does not automatically establish a second independent scored success.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Brad · Handshakes, double dipping, and blackjack
Brad presents objections to handshakes, double dipping and people playing blackjack badly. Ryan gives the explicit third-option guess; the recording also confirms a second commitment to that option in the deliberation, without supplying a new speaker identity for that passage. Curtis asks for the reveal. Brad says the second statement is false: he does not care about double dipping. His casino-boss anecdote remains distinct from the revealed lie.
RECORDED ANSWER / CHOICE
Ryan · Convertible desks, robot orders, and cartoon animals
Ryan presents objections to unused sit/stand desks, robot fast-food ordering and sexualized cartoon animals. Curtis supplies both the desk-posture anecdote and cat-robot drink-delivery story. Curtis chooses the third option. Brad asks to recall the options and chooses convertible desks. Ryan says both guesses are wrong and reveals robot ordering as the false objection: he prefers its accuracy. No named score or overall winner is inferred.
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opening
Context outside the activity. title: Enemy at the Gate reviewed full source context: Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight we're covering Season 10, Episode 2, Enemy at the Gate, which originally aired on October 1st in the year of Brad's Bar Mitzvah. Is this when Fraser says…
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Context outside the activity. title: Enemy at the Gate reviewed full source context: Welcome to Reverse Psychology, the Fraser Rewatch podcast where we go backwards through every episode of the show. Tonight we're covering Season 10, Episode 2, Enemy at the Gate, which originally aired on October 1st in the year of Brad's Bar Mitzvah. Is this when Fraser says he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore? We'll find out. I'm your host, Curtis Sheck. Joining me as always, it's our resident upside downer. It's Ryan. I am excited to do some gatekeeping tonight. Also with us today is our parking attendant. It's Bradley Kirkston. I'll start right here. Brad, you're not invited. Get out. I'd be such a good parking attendant. Can you imagine? Oh my God. It's honestly your perfect rule. I'd be so friendly. I would let everyone in. Oh, we're saying the opposite. You'd be a dick for no reason. I would live the life of a parking attendant. The rules between who could park where and when would change by the minute for you. It would be absolute chaos. There is no consistency when it comes to Brad, the parking attendant. But you would always treat whoever you're talking to as if you are acting consistently. Man, this is what we always do. No, I'd be like, it's always been this way on Tuesdays. You'd be crazy Brad too. Yeah. Oh yeah. Crazy Brad comes to every profession. Sounds right.
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Parking discussion
Context outside the activity. question: And are you guys good at parking? Do you like parking? segment type: personal discussion reviewed full source context: I am wondering about parking because this whole episode's about parking. And are you guys good at parking? Do you like parking? I hate parking. You know what? I'll be honest. I have gotten dramatically…
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Context outside the activity. question: And are you guys good at parking? Do you like parking? segment type: personal discussion reviewed full source context: I am wondering about parking because this whole episode's about parking. And are you guys good at parking? Do you like parking? I hate parking. You know what? I'll be honest. I have gotten dramatically worse at parking. I think since COVID. I can't line anything up anymore. I don't know. I think the tech's getting better. So I'm getting worse. It's a nightmare. I used to be adequate. Your skills are atrophying? They're atrophying hard and fast. Like at a shocking rate. I am decent at parking. I'm not so good at parallel parking. That's not, how could you be decent at, you're not good at driving. How could you be good at parking? You're not allowed to drive after 5 p.m. No, now that I have a new eye, I'm allowed to drive. All eyes aside, you are not good at it. Oh, I'm so good at it. I'm not good at parallel parking. That is not something I strive at. I am terrible at parallel. Well, who invented parallel parking? How the fuck would someone come up with that as a method? Like this is the guaranteed method we will all follow in every situation. Like what the fuck is this? There's no way this is the most efficient way to set up anything. I mean, I don't know that it's about efficiency. You just have straight streets and cars just park on that street. And once you've got two cars and a space between them, the only way in is to parallel park. Why can't you go in forward? Why is going in backward the best way to do it? Are you under the impression that physics was invented by some guy? Well, I think the axle system, explain it to me. Why can't you go in forward? Why is that an inefficient way to do it? That is a fair question. And I do not know the answer because I do believe that a man named physics is the cost of all of our problems. Oh, you're with me. I think like Gerald Ford, it was like, this is how we're going to do it. He invented Ford, I think, right? We're going to... Yeah, Gerald Ford invented the Ford Motor Company. He's like, this is how we're going to park. This is the right way. This is how our axles are going to work. This is how backing up works. Physics does explode for a second and then you're in your spot. I don't get it at all. I've watched Diagos. The only reason I know how it works. Honestly, it doesn't work for my brain. Give the president respect. He's President Gerald Ford. Thank you. Former president of Ford Motor Company's Gerald Ford. You're about to say GM, which it would have been... I was funnier. We're definitely going to get sued by the Ford family, but it's cool. And probably the motor company. They're all high on the drugs anyway. What about you, Brad? What's your best parallel park moment? Because you can't have had many. Oh, I got my driving license. No. I mean, that's not like way off my answer. I think when I lived in the city, I did get good at it because I had to do it often. Have either of you ever had a moment where you skipped parking because it was a parallel park? Oh, absolutely. Oh, all the time. All the time? Not all the time. I'm not willing to say all the time. I think maybe twice in my life. I think I've done it like five times. But it's like every time it's such a huge blow. I should not be passing on this, but I'm not about to destroy my car. Yep. So I, for most of my driving life, lived in a place where I didn't have to parallel park. I was deeply out of practice. And then I moved to a city where I basically have to do it every time I park anywhere. You don't drive a lot. I don't. I intentionally, mostly leave it parked. So I find a spot and I keep it. That's because it's easier to get around Chicago without driving. There are certain areas where I know if I go to that neighborhood, I know it's a crowded area and it's going to be hard to find a spot. And I just don't want to deal. Hard to find a spot that's way different than hafting to parallel park and it's going to be horrible. Because like sometimes you're just driving around for a while. I made a huge error once. We were looking for an apartment and we had found this place in Wrigleyville. That is an area named after the baseball stadium that is in that neighborhood. We're stuck with Curtis. Yeah, this is fun. You don't get this every day. Well, we're deciding about whether we want to take the train and maybe a bus or if we want to take the car. And I'm like, you know what? It's kind of a rainy day. We're in kind of a tight timeline. I don't want to deal with all that. Let's just drive. It'll be fine. And then we get there. I didn't think to check. It was a game day. Oh, huge mistake. Not only was there crazy traffic and tons of people walking. So even like when it was the green light, it was like hard to move. But then like every single place to park is taken. There are lots that they'll sell you for like $150 to park. Is that a real price? Are you just an exaggerator? I think it might have been more like $80, but it was definitely outrageous. I don't think I've ever paid more than $30 for event parking. $80 would be crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. So we got lucky. We drove to the neighborhood of Boys Town, which is not too far from there. And surprise, surprise, not full of baseball fans. So we were able to find a spot there and walk the rest of the way. But it was a nightmare. We could probably talk about parking for 35 more minutes. I could talk about parking for the rest of the night. But we should talk about Frasier and his feelings about parking. atrophy voice: Ryan brad prompt voice: Ryan
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Episode discussion
Context outside the activity. segment type: episode recap and discussion reviewed full source context: We open with radio waves over the Space Needle. Frasier pulls into a parking garage with Niles when he realizes he is late for work. He tries to leave, but is hit with a $2 fee he refuses to pay. Has Frasier ever been more approachable than in this first little…
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Context outside the activity. segment type: episode recap and discussion reviewed full source context: We open with radio waves over the Space Needle. Frasier pulls into a parking garage with Niles when he realizes he is late for work. He tries to leave, but is hit with a $2 fee he refuses to pay. Has Frasier ever been more approachable than in this first little jab at the, I think it's the phone company? Relatable? Sorry, yes. That was what I was trying to say, but I couldn't find it. I was trying to approach it differently, Bradley. Yes, he was more relatable than ever before. But boy, did he get angry quickly. It really set the stage for the rest of the episode. Well, if you're going to piss me off, that's exactly the same problem I have. Did you find it petty or relatable that he was like, they're 45 minutes past my window? I couldn't tell if the writers were trying to make him be dramatic or that is just an aggression we should all be mad at. I think it's both. I think it is impossible not to be infuriated in that moment, but it is also objectively petty. It's small potatoes. Is it? They missed a three-hour window. It's almost more annoying that they were weirdly close. I mean, it infuriates me. I just get, I go red. That's like the fastest way for me to go red. That's pretty much the only route. I think that's funny coming from you because you are a man who's notoriously both late and bad at estimating what time you'll be places. Just don't give me a four-hour fucking window and then somehow still miss it. I don't know. Give me an eight-hour window if you're that unpredictable. And back then it was every time, too. It was like, they give you a four-hour window. You're like, okay, I know you're not going to be here then. How much longer do I have to pretend like you're coming? They'll be like, we're going to come between eight and noon. And it's just like, okay, so I have to get up on a Saturday. I'm going to get showered and we get dressed. I have to be like ready for the day before eight because a person is coming to my house. And then it's like one o'clock and they stroll in. I never played the early side of that coin. Never worried about the first three hours. Ryan, for you, it's also a little jealousy because you wish you could have a job like that where you give people like four-hour windows or when you're going to get work done. If you're going to get four-hour window and not hit it, yeah. Did it make you a little nervous when you saw Frasier driving? Like, I don't feel comfortable with him behind the wheel. You guys make fun of my driving, but Frasier, seriously? It felt weird. It felt a little off-putting. This is, I think, the second time we've seen him drive? Yep. Lower Liddy was the first time. But here's my question, because every time we've seen anybody in a car, it's been very obvious that it was a green screen in a studio. Did this feel like he was actually driving to you? It didn't feel as green screen to me as it normally does. I think so, yeah. It felt less set-setty. Yeah. It really felt like we were out in the world. Yeah. Everything, even the lighting, felt much more like an out-in-the-world thing than in a studio. Maybe that's why his driving was better, because he wasn't as erratic as he was in the other one. Nothing more reassuring than when you feel like the technology's gotten better as you go backwards on the show. That's always helpful. That's always a good sign. Have you ever had this happen where you pull in somewhere, immediately realize you made a mistake, and then realize they're going to charge you anyway? It happened to me once. I actually was thinking about that. It was a $5 charge. I paid the $5 and didn't even worry about it or think about it. That doesn't sound right. I'm sure that still keeps you up at night. $5 that you got no service for? How badly were you in the wrong? I was 100% in the wrong. I turned into a road that was a one-lane road, and I had no other choice but to turn into this garage and turn around. So, it's what it is. What part of the world were you in? I was in the city. I had to pick up a check for something, and I pulled down the wrong street, and a car was coming, and I didn't know what to do. So, I just pulled into this garage. And it happened to be one that you couldn't just J-turn out or whatever. You had to... I think it all happened too quickly, and I was like, fuck, I already went through the thing. I love that the only turn you made was one into a $5 parking lot. Yeah. Was this an alleyway? Yeah, it was an alleyway. And there was no space for you to get over? No. How bad did you burn it? Because it would be really funny if it was a three-lane alley, and they could have just went around. It was one of those things that I turned right in. It was like, fuck, this isn't good. This does give credence to us pointing out how bad you are at driving by you saying, oh, I accidentally went down the wrong one way. Well, we'll everything out. They could sadly become a better driver. I'm going to just somehow edit in that you run stop signs. I think that... So, yeah, I can understand why you'd be fine paying the $5 at this point. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was like a shame pay. No. For sure. It was... Could you imagine explaining to Luis Guzman why you tipped him and didn't want to pay the $5? Brad, you got scooped. I know. Oh, I know. This was a big name. He wasn't going to say it. Luis Guzman, I did write it down. He's a pretty big name. He is in many, many shows and movies. Like, waiting. Still waiting. That's too bad. Code Black. I don't know what that is. It was a TV show on CBS. Okay. I thought you guys... How about the school of community was named after him? That's pretty good to say. Let's bury the lead here. Oh, man. I thought you was better than that. I like when the two of you start filling in random shows that people have been in, too. Random. It's one of the all-time greats. So, Luis Guzman, I mean, we'll talk about it throughout the episode, but I just want to say up top, he puts out a great performance. Like, he plays the part perfectly of a guy who is a little bit frustrated at this jerk, but also, he's getting a paycheck. He has rules. He's handcuffed. He can't do anything. He's just... I don't have to tell you, man. Pay the $2 we've dealt. Like, I can't help you. This is the rules I'm stuck with. I wish he was a permanent character. That's what I'm talking about! He really did not care. He really didn't give a crap what happened. He just wanted it to be over. If this was something somebody Frasier had to deal with every, like, five episodes, and we still got this episode, it would be great. He really does thread the needle perfectly, because in this situation, I think that Frasier is truly, objectively correct. He shouldn't have to pay $2. Now, he's going about it like an ass, but I think he is right. So, I think there's a version of this where the attendant is kind of the face of corporate America and kind of an asshole being unreasonable about Frasier. But I think he plays it perfectly where you both sympathize with him and understand why Frasier is upset. Yeah, definitely. I don't know if you guys have more Luis talk, but we do have bird talk we've got to get through first. Oh my gosh. So, the birds are back in, again, really confusing timeline here. Now we know their name. Well, yeah, we know their lovebirds. Probably a crazy honeymoon purchase is my best guess right now. Did you think, going into the beginning of this rewatch podcast, that you were going to find out about three separate couples named Daphne and Niles? Did you think that was going to happen? No. It's a very good point, Curtis. It's a very good point. You're 100%. I didn't think we were going to find out about one, forget three. So, a honeymoon purchase. I don't know what else it could possibly fucking be. We know our timeline. We don't have a ton of time before Daphne and Niles got married. That's probably the season capra from last season, I guess. Or at least pretty close to that time frame. So, the birds, at best, have, I don't know, three episodes? The fact that we kind of milked it for a couple, and then it goes away in like six episodes is crazy. The birds, like last time we saw them, it was sort of implied that they were kind of Niles' thing, right? Because Daphne was kind of not interested in taking care of them, and now Niles is... That's interesting. Does he seem like he is genuinely concerned for the birds here and wants the best for them, or does he seem like he's annoyed that he has this task? He says it almost explicitly. This morning when Daphne escaped, I just kept thinking, what if she's hurt, or lost, or eaten by a cat, or worse, what if she meets a bird more birdly than Niles, but without the substance? Trust me, no one is more birdly than Niles. Oh, that is right. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so I think it's comfortable to say at this point, this is a Niles thing. Would you peg him as a bird man? Yes. Yeah, people love birds. I can't believe Niles hasn't had more bird talk so far. Yeah. As soon as he shuts off... Okay, so were you guys a fan of this, or were you guys mad at him for shutting off the car? It felt weird that he would do that instead of going to his show. He's obsessed with this show, and the fact that he was willing to just be late for his show to wait 20 minutes seems a little out of character to me. That's season one, through nine, Brad. That's not season 10 and 11. I don't know. I feel like, on the one hand, as a person from the Midwest who is deeply uncomfortable with the idea of ever being in anybody's way, the idea that he's just parked in the exit infuriates me. But, as somebody who has righteous indignation when small, petty injustices happen, I do understand the urge to take a stand. So I see both ways, but I think I lean more towards just, you can make a stink. Don't do it in anybody's way. Never in my life would I have done it. I was cheering for him hardcore when he did that. I was like, that is what people should do. That's good. That's a good move. I would never have fucking done that. When he said to the crowd later that, duh, I'm doing this for all of you, you felt that. You thought that was the truth. The only way I would have been mad in the crowd is if I had to get to the hospital or something crazy. Like, almost any other situation. I'd be like, boo, this guy. And then just kind of watch it with open eye, like, real eager, looking around. Like, let's see what happens when you do this. We get a title card, The Old Man Puzzles. While Martin does a puzzle, Daphne is moving out the last of her things from the house. Marty makes an excuse for why she should stick around today. Old men really do love doing puzzles. They love it. That's why I love doing them. I was going to say, do you guys not like puzzles? I like a puzzle. We were saying that as peers to old men. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think any of us per se we weren't old men on that one, Ryan. Come on. I don't think, I don't fancy myself an old man. I like a puzzle. It's a fine activity. You just used the word fancy. So you might want to recheck that one. Is that not the lingo for the kids these days? So Daphne leaving. Finally packing up, shipping on out. They've referred to it a couple of times this season, but man, it still doesn't really make sense timeline wise. Feels like she's been out of there for a couple of years. Well, even though this is supposed to be the last of her things, there's like four more episodes of her sort of on her way out. Like they really take a long time to transition. Yeah, it kind of feels like they couldn't commit to how they were going to play Daphne going forward until they landed on, oh, we can just make her pregnant and make her useless for a whole season. It seemed like they were kind of waffling on if they were going to actually remove her from the apartment. Yeah. You think that was a discussion in the right room? I know we married them all, but did she still live in Frasier's house? I think they had to have. That is exactly how it feels sometimes. How do you feel about the plans for the room that they say Frasier has for it? Now it's going to be a reading sanctuary. He's turning my room into a library. No, he made it very clear it was a reading sanctuary. A library implies sharing. It's all funny. Have you ever been to a reading sanctuary? Do you have one in your house, Curtis? I do not have a reading sanctuary. Guarantee Curtis has one. Yeah. I guarantee you that there is a room in Curtis's apartment that his fiancee cannot go into and read some of his books. Oh, I guarantee you there's a room that his life partner has never even seen in the house. Like Curtis doesn't show them where it is. They tore the apartment together. I slipped a tenor to the guy showing us the place. Don't show him the third bedroom. That'd be amazing. That would be amazing. I have long said to any homeowner I've ever encountered, like if I meet somebody and I find out they own their home, I will say, have you considered installing a secret room? As a homeowner, I can say that's not even close. I'm trying to get all of the stuff to work still. Yeah. Fair enough. I'm pretty sure other buddy, friend of the podcast who's been on the show, Vitaly has multiple secret rooms in his place. I don't have to do with that. The next thing you can say to that is either really dark or absolute nonsense. I thought you just said, I don't know who you're talking about. Obviously, I know that one other person you ever talk about. The real question is why is Marty allowed in most of the rooms? We know he's useless in the kitchen. We see that in this scene. There's no reason for him to ever go in there. Also, Daphne mentions that she does physical therapy every day for him. Yeah, every day. That's bananas. Is that surprising to you in the upside down? Yeah, I don't think that's how physical therapy works. Don't you need to take rest days and shit? I guess Marty does not. I guess they're trying to get him well quicker. I don't know. You certainly don't do it seven days a week. Yeah. Seems crazy. Yeah, I don't have any idea about how physical therapy works. This is bananas though. If she's now not living there and she's coming over every day, that's crazy. Well, you got to assume that it's not a long commute. I mean, with the amount of time Niles spends at Fraser's house, it can't be a long commute. It could be one floor down and that would be annoying to go every day. Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles? In square miles, Curt. Yeah, in square miles. In square miles, it's got 42 square miles. Okay. The size of Akron. I don't know if that's big or small. I really have no idea. So if they live, let's say they live eight square miles apart with traffic, seven and a half to eight minute drive. What are you doing? Can you walk us through some more of that math? No. No, you cannot. Oh my God. You actually were pretty close. Seattle is 83 square miles. Oh, good job, Curtis. Halfway there. You could have done way worse. Belize Guzmallan tries his best to help people exit through the entrance. Roz is forced to stall for Dr. Crane and an angry driver calls out Frasier as the rich asshole that he is. There's a lot in this scene. Let's get started, boys. Okay, boy. Okay. What do you want to talk about, boys? Points for creativity, boys. Of the hustle boys. Alrighty. Uh, Frasier's a dick. Okay. I mean, there's nothing to talk about there. No, but you were trying to defend him earlier. I just, I don't agree with this. I would have just left to this point. He doesn't have to be the most embarrassing person in America. He was not thinking about Niles. He should have, at this point, this episode should be over. He should be driving out. Lesson learned. See you later, folks. Good night. If you're going to shut the car off, you can't just renege here. It makes no sense to do it here. Because it doesn't matter. He's never going to see these people again. Just end it. And then he can go talk about it in the show. Then he shouldn't have shut the car off. He should have done it in the first place. You can shut the car off for a couple of minutes. I think it makes the same point if it's 20 minutes. If you're going to do it, you do it full throttle. If you're going to just stop after three minutes, then it's really dumb. Nobody cares. The people who have any kind of power to change this policy that he's upset about, those people are not going to ever see or feel the difference. They're not going to be on the front lines of this. They're not going to know the difference between a 10-minute wait, a 20-minute wait, or no wait at all. Yeah. So are you guys saying because you've seen the people that it affects that he should now back down? Is that the point? I would have not begun the operation. I would have written a sternly worded letter that Niles suggests. At this point, as he has everyday Joes saying, I've got places to be. You are in my way. He's putting his $2 and his principles ahead of everybody else's shit to do. Here's the thing. Curtis just talked about how he would handle it. I think we all know how I would handle it, but I'll tell the audience. I would have drove it out, parked my car somewhere. While I would have paid, I would have drove it out, parked my car, and then I would have gone and punched the guy in the face. But I wouldn't have let it affect the other people who were trying to get out. That is how you would have handled it. Wait, wait, wait. You would have punched Luis Guzman in the face or Frazier? Luis Guzman. Luis Guzman. If I was Frazier. If I was Frazier. Oh, now I'm really mad at you. That's so much worse. I would much rather Frazier hold everybody up than assault a man just doing his job. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm saying it's the Brad way to do it. Yeah, Brad didn't say he'd be a good guy doing it. Yeah, and I'm simply not condoning the Brad way of doing it. I don't condone the Brad way of doing anything. What do you have to do? Anything. We should make that part of the tagline of our podcast. What would Brad do? Do the fucking opposite. Love Frazier's grammar line here. I'm doing this for their own good, by correcting people's grammar. I don't do it to be popular. That was a good line. So funny. Liking some of what Frazier's throwing down, even though he's being absolutely repulsive. Okay, so we got to hop over to the radio station. Yes. Yeah, that's hot. He sees Stern Kenny, which lasts for about four seconds. Gee whiz, I try to make everyone happy and all it gets me is a twisted gut. Well, no more. This Saturday, we're going to have a staff meeting. We're going to hash out some rules. I'm busy Saturday. Well, it's not mandatory. Yeah, Stern Kenny was, that was not a good version of Kenny. Kenny. Definitely not a Kennedy. Not a Kennedy. I love Niles in this because he is sort of, throughout this episode, loyal to his brother. Like, he's not abandoning Frazier. He's trying to talk reason to Frazier. Like, he's talking sense. He's right-headed the whole way around, I feel. Well, this is where he, then he gets out of the car. This is where that happens. Yeah, it is when he gets out. Yep. I felt it when Frazier kind of has this sad sack face. Like, I've been abandoned. Like, I'm a lost puppy. I felt that. I was glad Niles got back in the car. Yeah, it's hard not to root for Niles getting in the car, even though Frazier's being insufferable at this point. It's hard not to just, like, you know, at least have a smile on your face as that's happening. Although, I don't love Niles' work in the first half of this episode. Okay. But, I do like a here-on. An angry mob has formed. Frazier tries to address them through the sunroof, but they are not having it. Things escalate as police are called, so the tow truck driver can move the car. Frazier realizes he has made a mistake, but is so captive to his principles, he struggles to back down. Ooh, this scene. Ooh, a lot in this scene. But are you surprised at this point that cops haven't arrived yet? I was a little surprised. I was a little surprised. Yeah. There's, like, the easy way to handle it. Correct. I feel like the tow truck guy showing up well before the cops kind of makes sense to me. Okay. The edge, explain that a little bit. The police often are busy and also notoriously show up late to things that aren't true emergencies, and even sometimes real emergencies. So, them not being there doesn't surprise me. But, uh, the tow truck driver, he is gonna get paid if he can move this car. So, he's Johnny on the spot. Oh, I see. So, you think two calls have been made? Well, I don't know if it has, because it is the tow truck driver who recommends calling the police. But, I, I, even if the police have been called, I am not surprised that the, the, the tow truck's there first. Don't you think someone in the angry mob would have made the call to the police? I, I think so. Oh. I'm surprised no one's called the police yet, is, I guess, my shocking part. Because at this point, you're being held captive. True. Frazier's essentially made a citizen's arrest, if you've ever known he doesn't. Yep. Yeah, right. But that, okay, so he pops out of his car and gives just this, this full blow, I don't know, how did, how would you describe the speech he gives? A college dissertation. Oh, I would, it was almost like dictatorial to me. Uh, much more dictatorial than professorial. Thank you for finding ways to use the word, what, dictatorial and presto-forior, is that what you said? Uh, yeah, I don't think you said dictatorial right, but then you said press, professorial correctly, and exploded Brad's brain. Yeah, I, I could not pronounce that phrase at all, press-for-for-ior. Yeah, you want to take, you want to take one more shot at it? All right, uh, Presbyterian, no, uh, presto-for-ior. Oh my God, where is the B coming from? Professorial. Professorial, there we go, I got it. There you go, good job. You have to just chunk these things down for him, Curt. Yeah, come on, my little brain can hinder you of big words. For the small ones. Brad, would you say you've made a mistake? Would I say I've made a mistake? Yeah. Oh, yes. Trying to talk, trying to speak. Yes, multiple times in life. I love when Frasier pops back in the car and he's like, ah, I really think I've stepped in it. What a, what a shock. Yeah. I didn't see that coming, honestly. After he gives that amazing, blustering speech, I didn't think he had already kind of known that he was, he had stepped in it. I think really in his mind, he thought he can convince the pillagers. To be on his side. The what? The pillagers? Yeah. What the fuck? I was just kidding. They're not actually pillagers. No, you were not. No, yes, I was. Oh, but I think he really thought he convinced the angry mob. You happier? They would be on his side. They have nothing to pillage. They can't get out. Well, I was just being dramatic. I honestly just thought you were mispronouncing villagers. I thought you were trying to say professorial again. No, I was not trying to say, I was not trying to say Presbyterian again. You already did that joke. Well, I was doing it again. He doesn't know the word, Curt. It's hard to make a joke when you don't know the word. Yeah. Okay. I'm not press-for-you. I can do that the rest of the night, too. Yeah, but then this ended up being a really interesting scene, right? So you get Niles psychoanalyzing him and Frasier being weirdly receptive to it and open. I don't know. I found this whole scene surprising, but kind of nice. Is this the scene where he says that he can only handle one character for a lot of time? Yes. Yes. It was a great way to end the scene. Yeah, he does a lot of reveals. Trying to talk through how the bigger person would handle it and then just him being more mad because he realizes just what he has to do and it's getting worse and worse throughout the scene. What I kind of like about this psychoanalyzing is that the trigger is the late cable guy, right? Like that is what has got him up in arms about injustice and annoyed at little inconveniences and what has made him decide to take a stand here. And Niles kind of points out like it's not about the $2 and it's not about the injustice. You're just upset and looking to lash out. And I love that it's not deeper than that. It's not like Frasier's been going through some malaise and he's got some broader, more meaningful, deep issue to deal with. You know, life changing issues to deal with that is manifesting itself in this petty way. I like that it really is just that he's annoyed that he was made to wait and now he's being made to pay $2 and he just can't take it anymore. I mean, the deeper issue might be he has no, you know, no real relationship. Why? I would say the deeper issue might be that he's wealthy enough that he's not used to being told no. Oh, interesting. I don't think that's it. He gets told no a lot. He's got, yeah, that does come up a lot. And he's also got no sex life right now that we know. So yeah, Daphne realizes that Marty has been stalling her because he misses her. She makes plans to come over more often. Well, only Marty. I mean, isn't she coming over daily? Why does she have to make plans to come over more? It's very weird that he is this dramatic because Eddie really wants to walk. It has all to do with Eddie. Who? Yeah, stop it. I saw. Sorry, sorry, Eddie. You ruined it, Brad. Ryan was flying along. Yeah. Other than the nonsense that they literally kind of stepped on in the previous scene. This was nice. This was nice. This showed Daphne's intuition and I guess intelligence that we've seen in the past. Yeah, it was heartfelt. And yeah, it was a little bit sweet. Intuition. She spends like all day there. And then only when she opens the box and sees that he's clearly planted a ball in her bag so that the dog would go after it that she realized. Oh, wow. I did not give Marty that kind of credit because I think he's an idiot. I think the ball just slipped in there. I don't think he did. Oh, he definitely did that. Yes, he definitely did that on purpose. Well, that would require him getting off the couch or chair, which would never happen. He could throw the ball in there. He doesn't have that kind of aim. I'm confused. If you don't think he put the ball in there, what makes you think that he's the one that is going to miss her and not Eddie? Well, he's just clearly going to miss her because he's lonely and has nothing going on. I think it just worked out that the ball was in there. No, they used the ball as the catalyst. They used the ball as the catalyst to get there. To get any idea the ball was there at any point. God, you hate him so much. It just doesn't sound right. It sounds like that'd be too smart and that he would have to get up. I can't see a world where that would ever happen. She just packed the box. How would a ball have gotten in there inadvertently? We got a counterpoint. She just packed the box. When did the ball get in there? We know he didn't help. That is a very fair point. Doesn't make a lot of logical sense. That's okay. So you saw the dog? I saw the fucking dog. Don't even start with me. I saw it right away and they were like, fuck Curtis. And then we saw him like a bunch. I even changed one of the title cards just so that I would eliminate the risk of mentioning the dog. I was all over him. He was annoying as ever. Thanks, Brad. Yep, just plain Brad. Ruiner of things. That's what I'm known for. And driver of wrong ways. That's what I'm also known for. Roz inadvertently gives away to the radio audience that she slept with Frasier. Before she gets that, I do love the idea of her just reading menus on there. That's Brad content 101. That's what the podcast would be if we let you pick up it. Oh, God. If you guys would let me, I would just read soup recipes for an hour. It would be so entertaining. Brad talks about gumbo. Well, today's episode. There's a decent chance Brad is funnier on himself just trying to read a recipe than. Well, we know he can't read, so that would be pretty fun. Minestroti is a sick, thick, I can't remember that talk. He's a thick soup. Minestroti is so sick. Minestroti is radical. How do you feel about the callers? Because she does give it away. But that caller who calls her out on it is aggressive. They're very aggressive. They're aggressive top to bottom. I agree. Do you think they're just upset because somebody made them pay $2 and now they're taking it out at Roz? I don't assume that the people that work at the radio station, I don't assume that the on-screen personality is their boss. Yeah, that's a fair point. I think there's probably a power dynamic, but I don't necessarily think it's automatically that that person is the boss. Yeah, maybe on Howard Stern or something, but definitely not just radio. Well, besides, I had imagined a radio producer, they produce multiple shows and it's not one single on-air talent that is their boss. That makes sense. Yeah, I thought it was a little stupid how we got there, but it was fun to watch Roz unravel in a way that she should. Like, we've seen her a lot of times this season unravel at times that were stupid. This time was great. I thought it totally was. I don't love that it never comes up again, as always. Feels like the smidgerest thing that should have had any ramifications whatsoever. At least give us a bonus theme in this episode, but not anything. Now, wait a minute. So when you say that, are you talking about wanting there to be like some kind of HR repercussions or like ribbing from Bulldog about it? Oh, man, ribbing from Bulldog feels easy. I don't want HR. I don't need HR to get involved on a sitcom. If we had that episode with Julia. A rib or like, you know, if they're trying to go to a restaurant and they just don't let them in because it's, you know, whatever. Something weird where there's like, I remember you on the radio. You slept with all the people at the station. You know, something like that. Give me some repercussion. Well, I think we get a pretty lofty repercussion coming up, but we'll get to that. No, it's funny, but it's not a repercussion. It's a good way to end the episode, but there's no punishment for it. Miles talks Frazier into leaving. Frazier gives a long-winded speech, which puts him over the 20 minutes, adding another $2 to his fee. He busts through the gate instead. So I felt like the speech was exactly the same from three scenes ago. He was just saying the same thing. Well, no, I think it's so funny that he's like, I am going to leave before my time is up. But he was at like 19 minutes and 30 seconds. Yeah. Like, you couldn't have been much closer to 20 minutes. That speech wasn't very long. I know. Yeah. That was something that struck me, too. Like, if you left at 15 minutes, you can maybe claim to be the bigger man. But yeah, if you are riding that line, there is no difference between 19 minutes and 20 minutes. Other than if you go past 20 minutes, you pay another $2. I would say, yeah, once you get over like 17, it's just like, what if you do it? Yeah, you've lost the ability to give the bigger man speech. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I also think we all knew that he was going to be getting charged the $4. There was no question that that was happening. Oh, see, I actually kind of thought it was going to be more. It was going to go from like $2 to like $25. No. I think that would be funnier. I think that would be more outrageous, but it wouldn't be funnier. It's funnier that he just has another $2 that he can easily pay and is righteously indignatious about. That's not a word, but I thought it would be. That's most of the words. We're all good at words on this show. But as Ryan knows, I love good logistics. Logistics drop, logistics drop. We've got ourselves a logistics drop. So I love talking about how much money things will be. That's true. I knew that the $4 tech was going to happen at some point. I am still pretty surprised that he ended up busting through the gate. Like a funny way to handle it, but it is. I did enjoy that because I did not see that one coming, even though I've seen this episode before. But in theory, I did not see that one coming. I just thought they were going to shove $4 at him. I think it also speaks to the insincerity, right? The only reason he's giving the speech. It's not for the benefit of the parking attendant. It's not for the benefit of anybody other than Frazier. Like he wants to feel like he's the bigger man and he's coming out on top. And when he is faced with another $2, he immediately abandons the bigger man. He doesn't want to be the bigger man. He just wants to get out of there. So that's why he doesn't just continue the bigger man theme and pay the extra $2. He busts through. This is a crazy reaction. You would never risk your nice car on that gate. There's no way it's doing minimal damage. No, yeah. That gate flew. It's definitely doing some damage. Again, this is a man who's clearly well-to-do enough that whatever damage happens to the Beamer is not a concern. Like he will buff it out. He will get it fixed. He'll replace it if need be. He would rather spend thousands of dollars to deal with a broken car than spend $2 on parking he didn't actually get. Roz tries and fails to play damage control. When Frazier rushes in to tell his parking garage tale, his indelicate phrasing confirms the Roz affair. Easily the funniest verse that we've gotten so far and makes more sense than usual. I could play just most of the scene and that's really all we would need to do because it's just so good. It wasn't my finest hour. Let's just say that I got in there, realized I made a mistake and then tried like hell to get out. Frazier! There was a lot of shouting and then a line started to form behind me. Fortunately, my brother was with me for moral support. And well, let's face it, somebody to talk to. You know, you'd be amazed how long 20 minutes can be when you're watching the clock. At least in the end, I got out of there without paying the $4. Yeah, it is. And it's pretty good. It's fairly earned, which is again, rare for this season. So the only thing I will say, which you can't do this in the recording is Roz's facial reactions were pretty impeccable in this scene. Yeah. Like every time Frazier would say something and facial reactions was our cue. She did a really good job of that one. And sometimes you get these situations where in a sitcom, one character is putting her foot in it and another character is trying to warn them to stop and they're ignored. But it's unbelievable. It's like you would just grab that person and tell them, shut up. Or they would notice you trying to get their attention. Like it's not always believable that they're not getting the attention they're trying to get. This case works perfectly because she's kind of stuck behind a booth. She's trying to get his attention, but she's already completely frazzled from this whole ordeal. She doesn't really know what to say other than, Frazier, and he is on a roll. He thinks he is really, there's no stopping him. He's so excited to tell this tale. It works perfectly. Where was my man Kenny with all of this bluster from before? Why wasn't he around? Stepping in for Roz, who's losing her mind. I mean, he probably just thought it was good radio, right? It was good. It actually was. He doesn't care about her. Did someone say that? Yeah. I guess it is good radio. It was probably the most viewers they have for the rest of the series. I think it's probably listeners. I don't think they give any viewers. Hey, Brad, fuck off. Okay. But you watch that. Frazier plays us out with Niles returning to the parking garage to pay the balance of the fee and for the damages. So I guess this is the only comeuppance we get, and it is Niles suffering it. Pretty fun. I like, he comes in being like, here's the $2. I'm sorry. I think, I assume he's paying the $2 that Luis Guzman had to pay to try to get them out of there. Unclear if he got those $2 back. Well, no. Frazier never paid the additional $2 because he went through the- Oh, so he's just coming to pay the other $2? Yeah, the other $2. He's not even paying the original $2. Yeah, no. You know what I thought was a little bit crazy? We didn't talk about this, but in the scene where he busts through the gate, Luis Guzman is seen grabbing a pad and pen and trying to like write down the plate number. How on earth does he not already have the plate number? How is he not collecting that information yet? Yeah, well, because he's not going to get police involved. I mean, we proved that. We were there for 20 minutes. Yeah. logistics voice: Brad
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estimate
segment type: non game structured exchange activity request: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles? reviewed full source context: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles? In square miles, Curt. Yeah, in square miles. In square miles, it's got 42 square miles. Okay. The size of Akron. I don't know if that's big or small. I…
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segment type: non game structured exchange activity request: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles? reviewed full source context: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles? In square miles, Curt. Yeah, in square miles. In square miles, it's got 42 square miles. Okay. The size of Akron. I don't know if that's big or small. I really have no idea. So if they live, let's say they live eight square miles apart with traffic, seven and a half to eight minute drive. What are you doing? Can you walk us through some more of that math? No. No, you cannot. Oh my God. You actually were pretty close. Seattle is 83 square miles. Oh, good job, Curtis. Halfway there. You could have done way worse.
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Estimate prompt
prompt: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? How many square miles?
- actor respondent: Curtis
- actor facilitator: Brad
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Estimate answer
answer: In square miles, it's got 42 square miles.
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Travel extrapolation
claim: So if they live, let's say they live eight square miles apart with traffic, seven and a half to eight minute drive.
- actor claimant: Brad
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Math prompt
prompt: Can you walk us through some more of that math?
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Math decline
answer: No.
- actor respondent: Brad
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Estimate evaluation
adjudication: You actually were pretty close. Seattle is 83 square miles. Halfway there. result qualification: Curtis, how big is downtown Seattle? Seattle is 83 square miles.
- actor adjudicator: Ryan
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pronunciation
segment type: non game structured exchange prompt term: Professorial. adjudication: There you go, good job. reviewed full source context: Yep. Yeah, right. But that, okay, so he pops out of his car and gives just this, this full blow, I don't know, how did, how would you describe the speech he gives? A college dissertation. Oh, I would, it was almost like…
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segment type: non game structured exchange prompt term: Professorial. adjudication: There you go, good job. reviewed full source context: Yep. Yeah, right. But that, okay, so he pops out of his car and gives just this, this full blow, I don't know, how did, how would you describe the speech he gives? A college dissertation. Oh, I would, it was almost like dictatorial to me. Uh, much more dictatorial than professorial. Thank you for finding ways to use the word, what, dictatorial and presto-forior, is that what you said? Uh, yeah, I don't think you said dictatorial right, but then you said press, professorial correctly, and exploded Brad's brain. Yeah, I, I could not pronounce that phrase at all, press-for-for-ior. Yeah, you want to take, you want to take one more shot at it? All right, uh, Presbyterian, no, uh, presto-for-ior. Oh my God, where is the B coming from? Professorial. Professorial, there we go, I got it. There you go, good job. You have to just chunk these things down for him, Curt. Yeah, come on, my little brain can hinder you of big words. For the small ones. Brad, would you say you've made a mistake? Would I say I've made a mistake? Yeah. Oh, yes. Trying to talk, trying to speak. Yes, multiple times in life. I love when Frasier pops back in the car and he's like, ah, I really think I've stepped in it. What a, what a shock. Yeah. I didn't see that coming, honestly. After he gives that amazing, blustering speech, I didn't think he had already kind of known that he was, he had stepped in it. I think really in his mind, he thought he can convince the pillagers. To be on his side. The what? The pillagers? Yeah. What the fuck? I was just kidding. They're not actually pillagers. No, you were not. No, yes, I was. Oh, but I think he really thought he convinced the angry mob. You happier? They would be on his side. They have nothing to pillage. They can't get out. Well, I was just being dramatic. I honestly just thought you were mispronouncing villagers. I thought you were trying to say professorial again. No, I was not trying to say, I was not trying to say Presbyterian again. You already did that joke. Well, I was doing it again. He doesn't know the word, Curt. It's hard to make a joke when you don't know the word. Yeah. Okay. I'm not press-for-you. I can do that the rest of the night, too. model voice: Curtis
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Pronunciation prompt
prompt: Yeah, you want to take, you want to take one more shot at it?
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- actor facilitator: Ryan
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Pronunciation answer
response: All right, uh, Presbyterian, no, uh, presto-for-ior. answer: Professorial, there we go, I got it. answer qualification state: REVISED adjudication: There you go, good job.
- actor respondent: Brad
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ratings
segment type: non game episode ratings activity request: Well, Brad, did you like this episode? reviewed full source context: Well, Brad, did you like this episode? Yeah, so, hey guys. So this was an episode that I first was not a big fan of, but as the episode goes in, the bits all do pay off. You know, even if it's very small, all three, the A plot, the B…
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segment type: non game episode ratings activity request: Well, Brad, did you like this episode? reviewed full source context: Well, Brad, did you like this episode? Yeah, so, hey guys. So this was an episode that I first was not a big fan of, but as the episode goes in, the bits all do pay off. You know, even if it's very small, all three, the A plot, the B plot, the C plot, they all do pay off. They do all have funny endings. So I'm going to be so much- Oh, I'm sorry. Time flag. What do you mean the C plot has a funny ending? That Daphne agrees to hang out with an old guy? Sorry, sorry, sorry. The C plot has a nice ending, has a meaningful ending. Maybe not funny is not the right word. You're right, Ryan. So at the end of the day, I'm going to give this a score of A, and the council brads were brought in on this one. Sure they were. B plus. And we're getting a new Brad number? Yeah, we are. Go ahead. Proceed. Tonight? Are we getting one tonight? Oh, you brought one right now? I just usually want to get them. Give us the damn main. Okay, yeah. It's a character, actually. It's the character of Brad from Home Improvement. Not the actor, just the character of Brad from Home Improvement. Look, I told you guys I was just holding it for somebody else. Is this your dope or not? The truth. I was kicking it with my good friend. Dude, he loves mushrooms. He's a good guy, man. For me, this was a 7 out of 46. Oh, wow. Heard that number before. 7, 11, or 22. Those are three numbers, right? I ultimately decided I preferred Trophy Girlfriend with Bob Hoskins, but I did like this better than Boo with the clown. But I gotta say, I'm surprised because I went into this one, honest to God, expecting this to take the number one slot. I thought from memory, loving this ending, and it's a great ending, but I think it loses a little bit of luster when you know what's coming. It doesn't hit quite as hard as when you're just hearing Frasier say these things that are perfectly wrong, and you can't imagine how he's getting it so wrong. So I think the whole episode is good, really solid, but I don't think it is the heights I assumed it was from nostalgia. Brian, what about you? Wow, yeah. I really like this episode, top to bottom. Like you said, Brad, they built the episode in a nice way for a lot of payoffs to happen, but it's funny to start, too. It's not like the payoffs are lame scenes. I love Frasier being irate over the mundane. I'm here for that. The only thing we really missed this episode was people being naked and, you know. Bedfunk. I was going to say, I was going to say guest stars, but we did have Luis Guzman crushing it. This is a great episode. I'm going to say it's like 8-6. Great season 10 episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think this is a great episode.
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Rating prompt brad
prompt: Well, Brad, did you like this episode?
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Rating brad
scores: B plus. answer qualification: The C plot has a nice ending, has a meaningful ending. Maybe not funny is not the right word. You're right, Ryan. answer qualification state: REVISED
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Council prompt
prompt: And we're getting a new Brad number? Give us the damn main.
- actor facilitator: Curtis
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Council selection
choice: It's the character of Brad from Home Improvement. answer qualification: Not the actor, just the character of Brad from Home Improvement.
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Rating unnamed
scores: For me, this was a 7 out of 46. answer qualification: I ultimately decided I preferred Trophy Girlfriend with Bob Hoskins, but I did like this better than Boo with the clown. but I don't think it is the heights I assumed it was from nostalgia.
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Rating prompt brian
prompt: Brian, what about you? raw respondent mention: Brian
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Rating brian
scores: 8.6 answer: I really like this episode, top to bottom. I love Frasier being irate over the mundane. Great season 10 episode. answer: Yes Curtis said Ryan answer: 8.6
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game
title: Two hills and a dot activity premise: Frasier's principles lead him to holding a parking garage hostage. But what do we stand for? rules: We will each give three principled stands, which we have stood for or would be willing to stand for. However, one of them is a lie. Two real ones and one fake one. activity request: Can we guess correctly what matters…
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title: Two hills and a dot activity premise: Frasier's principles lead him to holding a parking garage hostage. But what do we stand for? rules: We will each give three principled stands, which we have stood for or would be willing to stand for. However, one of them is a lie. Two real ones and one fake one. activity request: Can we guess correctly what matters to you most? interaction mode: present three stands and guess the lie reviewed full source context: Frasier's principles lead him to holding a parking garage hostage. But what do we stand for? It's a game of two hills and a dot. We will each give three principled stands, which we have stood for or would be willing to stand for. However, one of them is a lie. Can we guess correctly what matters to you most? So I'm going to go first. Wait, just for clarity, because you did, as always, a terrible job. Are we saying two things that we actually believe and would go up to a hill and die for, or are we saying two things we wouldn't go up to a hill and die for? Two real ones and one fake one. But if you have it the other way around. I have so many. I wrote so many. I did too. That's funny. I think this speaks to our character, because I thought to myself, I don't need one of these to be fake. I could make these. I had a really hard time coming with a fake one. My first one, because I have a dentist who sold their practice, and the new owner of the practice honored my appointment, but they did not tell me that they had changed their pricing and insurance strategy. So after the cleaning, they said I owed them a copay I've never had to pay before. So that was something that I was... Oh, that's the end of it. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm in a very different direction. So just new fee. All right. You're mad that you have to pay? I'm mad at the prospect of having to pay something like that. Yes. My next one is that I bought a new laptop from Apple, and it was an online purchase, but with a in-store pickup. And for some reason, their tax is an estimate, and it's estimating badly. So for some reason, they said my tax would be like 70 bucks. But then as soon as I placed the order, they charged me 130 for tax. Whoa. Yeah. That is a big difference. A big difference. But they also straight up do not refund for tax. They just won't do it. And I spent over an hour on the phone with this guy. Basically, I spent an hour just in circles, and I realized at some point that he couldn't hang up until I hung up. I just wouldn't hang up. You held up all the other colors. Yeah. I forced him like an hour in to just say, I guess I have to hang up on you now. Wow. That's pretty petty. Yeah. They guessed how much tax you would have. Then you pulled the trigger, and then they told you how much tax you would have. Like, I don't, that's not how paying things works. The second I hit place order or whatever, my credit card dinged with a notification that a charge went through, and the charge was for the exact amount that was more than I was supposed to pay, based on the estimate. You were just lied to, then. That's not... I was lied to. No, it was crazy. Well, yeah. That doesn't sound right. Well, I mean, it does not sound right, does it? No. No, it doesn't. Keep going. What's your third one? Well, I'm realizing that all of mine are real. Oh, my God, Curtis. Maybe he's just playing the game bad. This is the game that he created. No, I'm saying maybe he's just trying to trick us. Okay, yeah. You say that like I know how to play my game. Yeah, maybe Curtis understands our game. Sorry. No, so my third one is that I have a history of colon cancer in my family, which is not fun. Whoa. Okay, Brad. Yeah. Oh, God. Way to steal my thunder. So I'm supposed to get a colonoscopy, but I didn't because I couldn't get them to tell me the price. Like, I kept trying to call them. I was like, well, what are you going to charge the insurance so I can make sure the codes will go through? And they're like, oh, we don't know. We can't tell you. We just say, what? And I went back and forth between insurance and them over and over again. Never got an answer. And so I just didn't do it. But yeah. So all three years were the same thing. All money. All money squabbles. I had other ones that I came up with, but they seemed less like principled stans and more like pet peeves. Oh, I think a lot of mine are pet peeves, probably. Most of mine are pet peeves that have become stans. So what do you think? Where am I lying? I think it's number three. I think that's why. Obviously, you just didn't think through the game. But I like also, I don't know. The text thing does sound crazy. I think if you presented it differently, I would guess the text thing. I think for me, if there was anyone that I would leave something weird like that that would happen to, it would be Curtis Sheck. So the only believable part of the story is that you would talk to customer service for an hour and a half or whatever the fuck it was. Correct. Yeah. So I think three was the lie. Yeah. Three was the lie. But just because of you. Yeah. It was the lie. Because you're right. I did not think through the game. I thought really hard about what my true answers were and then didn't think, how will I sell the lie? Brad, what about you? Yeah. So for me, it was actually hard to do this because you two have seen me take stance on stuff before multiple, multiple times. I could have done it on, you know, people call me Brad and not Bradley. I could have done stuff on just, you know, people trying to call out Baltimore and me freaking out or being touched to me freaking out. So I didn't go on that route. I tried to do things you don't know about me, which was very hard. What are they? Oh yeah. You want me to go now? Great. Numero uno, especially during COVID really up until like last year, if somebody would try to handshake me, I was still dabbing them because I wasn't comfortable handshaking. And I used to really get mad when people would try to handshake me during COVID. That sounds real. You didn't really like getting hands shook before COVID. Correct. Correct. That's why I think it sounds real, but it's also, I think it might be a bit of a red herring. He knows that we know that. Yeah. True. Number two, double dipping. I freak the fuck out when people double dip. I find it disgusting. I find it weird. How often are you seeing double dippers? Once a month. I'm sorry, once a month. Yeah. Well, I'm- How many dips are you having in your daily life? I work with a lot of old Jewish women. They love bringing dips and other things to work. I just, I'm not a fan of double dipping and I see it happen way too much. If they bring the dip, they're allowed to double dip. It's on you if you're sharing the dip with them at that point. I don't think that's true. I mean- Yeah. I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, if it's their dip for the lunch or whatever, fine. But if they're bringing it as like a potluck deal or like to share- Are you doing a monthly potluck? If they bring it to share and they double dip, it's totally fine. That's above board. I don't agree. If they bring dip for a potluck, it's a different story. They're just like, I brought this dip. I'm going to dip however the fuck I want to do it. You're welcome to jump on in with me or not. That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip. As you guys know, I play the casino. I play blackjack. And when somebody is playing and they do not know what they're doing, I will let them know they don't know what they're doing and explain to them the rules of blackjack and how to play blackjack properly at the table while everyone else stares at me. Okay. Are you annoyed with how you behave? I just make a scene. Let's say somebody does something of blackjack you're not supposed to do. I will let them know it and I will not give up until they feel bad about their move. Give me the chip! Hey, hey, hey! Give me the chip! I'm sorry. Will you teach them the rules or will you make them feel bad? Because it sounded like two different things. Oh, I will do both until they tell me to stop talking. Ooh, okay. I mean, that one feels the least like, like he can be aggressive, but I don't feel like he's, I just don't think that's going to happen. He'd be very focused on the gambling. I don't think he'd be focused on. Well, the double dip clearly was real. That clearly struck a nerve. And handshakes, he's weird about touching. There's no way he likes shaking hands. So it's got to be the third one. It's got to be just about how he reacts to people not gambling, not the fact that he reacts. I could see a version of that where he will comment on it, but I don't think he will be that aggressive. I don't think he will be unrelenting. All right. Disagree. I'm sure he'll be, whatever answer he comes up with, he'll still be unrelenting in it. Brad, which was the lie? Oh, it's number two. I could give a shit about double dipping. I don't give a crap. I actually got told by a casino boss this week to calm down. I'm surprised. So you, so like if I go up and touch you and you're not expecting it, you will like freak out, but you're saying that you don't mind double dipping, like sharing, sharing the mouth germs. I will tell you why. And it's actually why I came up with this one is because I was actually at a work thing and someone said, don't you hate that she's double dipping? And I was like, I can't see that far away. So I have no idea what she's doing. So I think that's, I think that's part of it that I cannot see. So it doesn't, not even a problem to me. Weird twist on that. Yeah. I actually thought this came through today, guys. You did fine, but I don't understand. Do you actually hate double dipping? Or you can't see it. It doesn't matter. I could, I just don't even think about it. I guess is my point. I don't know. I don't even think about double dipping. Okay. Ryan. You're to hear yours. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I tried really hard to avoid all the ones that are children related. Cause I got a bunch obviously. Yeah, of course. You have a child and another on the way. Yeah. So I'll, I'll try to avoid most of those. Conversion desks. You know, the ones that you can go from standing to sitting. Not what I thought. Okay. But you said conversion was getting a little nervous there. Why? I thought you were going to say conversions. Just stop there. Conversion desks. What, what do you have wrong with a sit down standing desk? So here's the problem with sit down, stand up desks is that you have the option. You sit down or stand up to one and then you, oh, this is great. I can switch. I'm going to do this all the time because it's inconvenient to do one all of the time. Well, I can tell you right now that's not true. Yeah. After like, after maybe 40 minutes, you're like, well, okay, I'm definitely going to keep doing it, but not right now. And then you end up never switching it. And then like two months later, you're like, oh, fuck, I didn't, should probably use this thing. When you're at the spine doctor. Yeah. Right. And then you feel worse because you're like, I have no excuse now. Like I just, I like have caused my own misery. I had all of the means to not be like this. And yet here I am time and time again, either standing or sitting. Like those are the two options. There's no switching back and forth like you should. Absolutely. Absolutely correct. When I work in the office, I do kind of switch back and forth between sitting and standing. And when I sit on my chair, I sit like a person does. When I'm at home by myself, I am curled up in that chair in weird orientations. It is, can't be good for me. It's got to be bad for my longterm health. And I often think to myself, you should stand up, buddy. And that doesn't mean that I do it. All right. Next ordering fast foods from robots. Does this happen to you guys? Have you, have you pulled into the drive-thru and you start talking? I know what you mean. Yeah. And a robot's like, you know what? I'll just handle this whole order. Because for a long time, they were just doing that bit where they're like, have you tried using our app? And you're like, no. And they're like, okay, a real person is going to be with you in a second. Now they're like, we'll just take your whole fucking order. I've been noticing that more and more places. It's happened to me twice. I've seen like the self-serve kiosks. I've never. This is drive-thru. Right. I don't really do a lot of drive-thru because it means I would eventually have to park. I had this at self-service. I went into a place and they were like, you can only use the machines. You can't even come up inside. I have this at self. They do that at McDonald's, but you don't shout at it. That's a touch screen. Oh, that's true. I get what you're saying. It's actually shouting at a robot. Yeah. Okay. I did recently go to a restaurant and it's amazing because they've got a little cat robot that brings you your water and your drink. It is amazing. It's just a robot that just comes over and says, here's your water. And then you like push a button to tell it that you've taken it and then it goes away. That's actually kind of cool. It's the same problem for all these though. Like, so there was these articles like end of last year where corporations were like, we just don't want to pay our employees anymore. And we're like, you should pay your fucking employees. Like, come on, just if you make billions of dollars, you can't pay your employees. We're like, no, we just can't. And so that's, instead of paying their employees, they go out of their way to make incredible technologies that like have a little cat delivering you fucking food. And so you're paying people. Fuck off corporations. The part most confounding to me about that place is it will bring you a drink, but it doesn't seem capable of sending food. Like it never sends the food. A person brings the food. I don't know why. That's weird. That's really odd. Yeah. What's your three? Why are we making sexy animals? Okay. I'll be right there. This is starting a seriously concerning trend considering your cousin's talk last time. No, it's okay. Specifically, the first one that ever irked me and I never have got it to this day is Lola Bunny. Right? There's like. Oh, you mean sexy cartoon animals. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't think you were. I didn't. I was not too far from that. I could have assumed that part. Yes. What did you think I meant, Brad? I thought you were talking about breeding new attractive animals. I got real concerned. That's crazy. That would be. I don't know. Maybe at some point people will try to do that because we keep shoving sexy animals into cartoons. Yeah. Why are we doing that? Who is that for? Can we get more examples? Let's get more examples. I never got over Lola. My name is Lola Bunny. Hey. Hi. Oh, heat hot. I was just like, why did you make a hot bunny? Who gains from this? I don't understand. First of all, Bugs doesn't need a love life anyway. You know, it's even weirder than that. It's not just that they're making, you know, a sexy bunny. Not too long ago, maybe a year ago, M&M's decided to rebrand their female M&M characters. The green M&M. Yeah, to be less like overtly sexual. And there was an uproar. Like, how dare you take away our sexy M&M's? M&M's will not be satisfied until every last cartoon character is deeply unappealing and totally androgynous. Until the moment you wouldn't want to have a drink with any one of them. Yeah. Yeah. They lowered the high heel or whatever. Insane. It's like, who's making these decisions? Porn's already so weird. It's going to be so much weirder. The more weird, you know, like sexy anthropomorphic things we make. I don't understand who's driving this. Who's like, we need this in our cartoons. I don't get it. I was with you when you were talking about Lova Bunny. You brought porn into it. And now I'm really concerned that this is definitely not a lie. And you've got some very strange habits. I mean, all I'm saying is like, if you've ever checked out any porn, it gets weird fast. I'm just like, man. Different podcast. Different podcast. I've seen that for different podcasts. People are shoving shit into basketball movies. Like, I don't get it. I don't like it. You think Space Jam is the reason. Yes. Okay. I think the innocent world of porn was fine until Space Jam showed up. And then things got crazy after that. I don't know. I knew this was going to be hard because Ryan is a man who is built for this concept of just petty. Yep. Strong principled stance. Like, that's why I saved you for laughs. Because I just knew. I have so many more. You could go for days. And all of these sound plausible. You know what was on it? Parallel parking was on mine, for the record. For your sake, I'm going to suggest that the lie is Lola Bunny. That can't be the thing that you're focused on. What was the first one, Ryan? Oh, conversion desks. Yeah, I think that's a lie. No, congratulations. You're both wrong. I don't mind ordering from a robot at all. They're way more accurate than fast food employees. Get them out of here. Let's bring on the robots. But, yeah. Fuck little wage workers. Long live capitalism. We went through and we ordered from this robot. We're like, oh, that's weird. It actually worked out great. And then the next time we went through, we got an employee and they did a horrible job. That's actually kind of funny. They gave us a ticket. They're like, fill out the survey. And they're like, would you have minded if that was a robot? We're like, fuck no. That would have been way better. That's awesome. And I'm pretty sure it was just McDonald's. This is McDonald's. Pretty sure that they were just telling their employees to do a shitty job so that they can push the robots. But it worked. That's a funny concept that they're intentionally trying to push customers towards the robots by making their staff incompetent. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they got their best person on there. So act like you're horrible at this. Just imitate Dave, who's shitty at this, you know? answer: Two hills and a dot
- actor facilitator: Curtis
- actor participants: Curtis Brad Ryan
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Stand assignment
prompt: We will each give three principled stands, which we have stood for or would be willing to stand for. However, one of them is a lie.
- actor respondents: Curtis Brad Ryan
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Round curtis
round sequence: 1 reviewed full source context: So I'm going to go first. Wait, just for clarity, because you did, as always, a terrible job. Are we saying two things that we actually believe and would go up to a hill and die for, or are we saying two things we wouldn't go up to a hill and die for? Two real ones and one fake one. But if you have it the other way…
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round sequence: 1 reviewed full source context: So I'm going to go first. Wait, just for clarity, because you did, as always, a terrible job. Are we saying two things that we actually believe and would go up to a hill and die for, or are we saying two things we wouldn't go up to a hill and die for? Two real ones and one fake one. But if you have it the other way around. I have so many. I wrote so many. I did too. That's funny. I think this speaks to our character, because I thought to myself, I don't need one of these to be fake. I could make these. I had a really hard time coming with a fake one. My first one, because I have a dentist who sold their practice, and the new owner of the practice honored my appointment, but they did not tell me that they had changed their pricing and insurance strategy. So after the cleaning, they said I owed them a copay I've never had to pay before. So that was something that I was... Oh, that's the end of it. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm in a very different direction. So just new fee. All right. You're mad that you have to pay? I'm mad at the prospect of having to pay something like that. Yes. My next one is that I bought a new laptop from Apple, and it was an online purchase, but with a in-store pickup. And for some reason, their tax is an estimate, and it's estimating badly. So for some reason, they said my tax would be like 70 bucks. But then as soon as I placed the order, they charged me 130 for tax. Whoa. Yeah. That is a big difference. A big difference. But they also straight up do not refund for tax. They just won't do it. And I spent over an hour on the phone with this guy. Basically, I spent an hour just in circles, and I realized at some point that he couldn't hang up until I hung up. I just wouldn't hang up. You held up all the other colors. Yeah. I forced him like an hour in to just say, I guess I have to hang up on you now. Wow. That's pretty petty. Yeah. They guessed how much tax you would have. Then you pulled the trigger, and then they told you how much tax you would have. Like, I don't, that's not how paying things works. The second I hit place order or whatever, my credit card dinged with a notification that a charge went through, and the charge was for the exact amount that was more than I was supposed to pay, based on the estimate. You were just lied to, then. That's not... I was lied to. No, it was crazy. Well, yeah. That doesn't sound right. Well, I mean, it does not sound right, does it? No. No, it doesn't. Keep going. What's your third one? Well, I'm realizing that all of mine are real. Oh, my God, Curtis. Maybe he's just playing the game bad. This is the game that he created. No, I'm saying maybe he's just trying to trick us. Okay, yeah. You say that like I know how to play my game. Yeah, maybe Curtis understands our game. Sorry. No, so my third one is that I have a history of colon cancer in my family, which is not fun. Whoa. Okay, Brad. Yeah. Oh, God. Way to steal my thunder. So I'm supposed to get a colonoscopy, but I didn't because I couldn't get them to tell me the price. Like, I kept trying to call them. I was like, well, what are you going to charge the insurance so I can make sure the codes will go through? And they're like, oh, we don't know. We can't tell you. We just say, what? And I went back and forth between insurance and them over and over again. Never got an answer. And so I just didn't do it. But yeah. So all three years were the same thing. All money. All money squabbles. I had other ones that I came up with, but they seemed less like principled stans and more like pet peeves. Oh, I think a lot of mine are pet peeves, probably. Most of mine are pet peeves that have become stans. So what do you think? Where am I lying? I think it's number three. I think that's why. Obviously, you just didn't think through the game. But I like also, I don't know. The text thing does sound crazy. I think if you presented it differently, I would guess the text thing. I think for me, if there was anyone that I would leave something weird like that that would happen to, it would be Curtis Sheck. So the only believable part of the story is that you would talk to customer service for an hour and a half or whatever the fuck it was. Correct. Yeah. So I think three was the lie. Yeah. Three was the lie. But just because of you. Yeah. It was the lie. Because you're right. I did not think through the game. I thought really hard about what my true answers were and then didn't think, how will I sell the lie?
- actor claimant: Curtis
- actor adjudicator: Curtis
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Stands curtis
submission type: three presented principled stands claim: because I have a dentist who sold their practice, and the new owner of the practice honored my appointment, but they did not tell me that they had changed their pricing and insurance strategy. they said I owed them a copay I've never had to pay before. I'm mad at the prospect of having to pay something…
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submission type: three presented principled stands claim: because I have a dentist who sold their practice, and the new owner of the practice honored my appointment, but they did not tell me that they had changed their pricing and insurance strategy. they said I owed them a copay I've never had to pay before. I'm mad at the prospect of having to pay something like that. claim: My next one is that I bought a new laptop from Apple, they said my tax would be like 70 bucks. they charged me 130 for tax. But they also straight up do not refund for tax. And I spent over an hour on the phone with this guy. I just wouldn't hang up. I guess I have to hang up on you now. claim: No, so my third one is that I have a history of colon cancer in my family, So I'm supposed to get a colonoscopy, but I didn't because I couldn't get them to tell me the price. And I went back and forth between insurance and them over and over again. Never got an answer. And so I just didn't do it. answer qualification: Well, I'm realizing that all of mine are real. You say that like I know how to play my game. answer qualification state: all real statement superseded by lie reveal
- actor respondent: Curtis
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Guess prompt curtis
prompt: So what do you think? Where am I lying?
- actor facilitator: Curtis
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Guess curtis
choice: 3 response: I think it's number three. answer qualification: I think if you presented it differently, I would guess the text thing. adjudication raw correctness: True
- actor respondent: Brad
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Curtis late three
claim: So I think three was the lie. Three was the lie. But just because of you. answer: Brad then Ryan repeats it
- actor claimant: Brad Ryan
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Result curtis
correct answer: 3 adjudication: It was the lie. result qualification: I did not think through the game. I thought really hard about what my true answers were and then didn't think, how will I sell the lie?
- actor adjudicator: Curtis
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Round brad
round sequence: 2 reviewed full source context: Brad, what about you? Yeah. So for me, it was actually hard to do this because you two have seen me take stance on stuff before multiple, multiple times. I could have done it on, you know, people call me Brad and not Bradley. I could have done stuff on just, you know, people trying to call out Baltimore and me…
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round sequence: 2 reviewed full source context: Brad, what about you? Yeah. So for me, it was actually hard to do this because you two have seen me take stance on stuff before multiple, multiple times. I could have done it on, you know, people call me Brad and not Bradley. I could have done stuff on just, you know, people trying to call out Baltimore and me freaking out or being touched to me freaking out. So I didn't go on that route. I tried to do things you don't know about me, which was very hard. What are they? Oh yeah. You want me to go now? Great. Numero uno, especially during COVID really up until like last year, if somebody would try to handshake me, I was still dabbing them because I wasn't comfortable handshaking. And I used to really get mad when people would try to handshake me during COVID. That sounds real. You didn't really like getting hands shook before COVID. Correct. Correct. That's why I think it sounds real, but it's also, I think it might be a bit of a red herring. He knows that we know that. Yeah. True. Number two, double dipping. I freak the fuck out when people double dip. I find it disgusting. I find it weird. How often are you seeing double dippers? Once a month. I'm sorry, once a month. Yeah. Well, I'm- How many dips are you having in your daily life? I work with a lot of old Jewish women. They love bringing dips and other things to work. I just, I'm not a fan of double dipping and I see it happen way too much. If they bring the dip, they're allowed to double dip. It's on you if you're sharing the dip with them at that point. I don't think that's true. I mean- Yeah. I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, if it's their dip for the lunch or whatever, fine. But if they're bringing it as like a potluck deal or like to share- Are you doing a monthly potluck? If they bring it to share and they double dip, it's totally fine. That's above board. I don't agree. If they bring dip for a potluck, it's a different story. They're just like, I brought this dip. I'm going to dip however the fuck I want to do it. You're welcome to jump on in with me or not. That's like putting your whole mouth right in the dip. As you guys know, I play the casino. I play blackjack. And when somebody is playing and they do not know what they're doing, I will let them know they don't know what they're doing and explain to them the rules of blackjack and how to play blackjack properly at the table while everyone else stares at me. Okay. Are you annoyed with how you behave? I just make a scene. Let's say somebody does something of blackjack you're not supposed to do. I will let them know it and I will not give up until they feel bad about their move. Give me the chip! Hey, hey, hey! Give me the chip! I'm sorry. Will you teach them the rules or will you make them feel bad? Because it sounded like two different things. Oh, I will do both until they tell me to stop talking. Ooh, okay. I mean, that one feels the least like, like he can be aggressive, but I don't feel like he's, I just don't think that's going to happen. He'd be very focused on the gambling. I don't think he'd be focused on. Well, the double dip clearly was real. That clearly struck a nerve. And handshakes, he's weird about touching. There's no way he likes shaking hands. So it's got to be the third one. It's got to be just about how he reacts to people not gambling, not the fact that he reacts. I could see a version of that where he will comment on it, but I don't think he will be that aggressive. I don't think he will be unrelenting. All right. Disagree. I'm sure he'll be, whatever answer he comes up with, he'll still be unrelenting in it. Brad, which was the lie? Oh, it's number two. I could give a shit about double dipping. I don't give a crap. I actually got told by a casino boss this week to calm down. I'm surprised. So you, so like if I go up and touch you and you're not expecting it, you will like freak out, but you're saying that you don't mind double dipping, like sharing, sharing the mouth germs. I will tell you why. And it's actually why I came up with this one is because I was actually at a work thing and someone said, don't you hate that she's double dipping? And I was like, I can't see that far away. So I have no idea what she's doing. So I think that's, I think that's part of it that I cannot see. So it doesn't, not even a problem to me. Weird twist on that. Yeah. I actually thought this came through today, guys. You did fine, but I don't understand. Do you actually hate double dipping? Or you can't see it. It doesn't matter. I could, I just don't even think about it. I guess is my point. I don't know. I don't even think about double dipping. Okay.
- actor claimant: Brad
- actor adjudicator: Brad
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Stands brad
submission type: three presented principled stands claim: Numero uno, especially during COVID really up until like last year, if somebody would try to handshake me, I was still dabbing them because I wasn't comfortable handshaking. And I used to really get mad when people would try to handshake me during COVID. claim: Number two, double dipping. I freak the fuck…
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submission type: three presented principled stands claim: Numero uno, especially during COVID really up until like last year, if somebody would try to handshake me, I was still dabbing them because I wasn't comfortable handshaking. And I used to really get mad when people would try to handshake me during COVID. claim: Number two, double dipping. I freak the fuck out when people double dip. I find it disgusting. I find it weird. claim: I play blackjack. And when somebody is playing and they do not know what they're doing, I will let them know they don't know what they're doing and explain to them the rules of blackjack and how to play blackjack properly at the table while everyone else stares at me. I will let them know it and I will not give up until they feel bad about their move. Oh, I will do both until they tell me to stop talking.
- actor respondent: Brad
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Guess prompt brad
classification prompt: Two real ones and one fake one.
- actor claimant: Brad
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Guess brad
choice: 3 response: So it's got to be the third one. adjudication raw correctness: False
- actor respondent: Ryan
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Brad deliberation
response context: Well, the double dip clearly was real. And handshakes, he's weird about touching. It's got to be just about how he reacts to people not gambling, not the fact that he reacts. I could see a version of that where he will comment on it, but I don't think he will be that aggressive. I don't think he will be unrelenting. Disagree. answer: Commits to it second guess: Committed to the second choice
- actor participants: Unresolved: ['The source does not allocate the deliberation turns to named speakers.', '@']
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Reveal prompt brad
prompt: Brad, which was the lie?
- actor respondent: Brad
- actor facilitator: Curtis
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Result brad
correct answer: 2 answer: Oh, it's number two. I could give a shit about double dipping. I don't give a crap. result qualification: I actually got told by a casino boss this week to calm down.
- actor respondent: Brad
- actor adjudicator: Brad
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Brad result discussion
question: Do you actually hate double dipping? Or you can't see it. answer qualification: And I was like, I can't see that far away. So I have no idea what she's doing. I don't even think about double dipping.
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Round ryan
round sequence: 3 reviewed full source context: Ryan. You're to hear yours. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I tried really hard to avoid all the ones that are children related. Cause I got a bunch obviously. Yeah, of course. You have a child and another on the way. Yeah. So I'll, I'll try to avoid most of those. Conversion desks. You know, the ones that you can go from…
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round sequence: 3 reviewed full source context: Ryan. You're to hear yours. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I tried really hard to avoid all the ones that are children related. Cause I got a bunch obviously. Yeah, of course. You have a child and another on the way. Yeah. So I'll, I'll try to avoid most of those. Conversion desks. You know, the ones that you can go from standing to sitting. Not what I thought. Okay. But you said conversion was getting a little nervous there. Why? I thought you were going to say conversions. Just stop there. Conversion desks. What, what do you have wrong with a sit down standing desk? So here's the problem with sit down, stand up desks is that you have the option. You sit down or stand up to one and then you, oh, this is great. I can switch. I'm going to do this all the time because it's inconvenient to do one all of the time. Well, I can tell you right now that's not true. Yeah. After like, after maybe 40 minutes, you're like, well, okay, I'm definitely going to keep doing it, but not right now. And then you end up never switching it. And then like two months later, you're like, oh, fuck, I didn't, should probably use this thing. When you're at the spine doctor. Yeah. Right. And then you feel worse because you're like, I have no excuse now. Like I just, I like have caused my own misery. I had all of the means to not be like this. And yet here I am time and time again, either standing or sitting. Like those are the two options. There's no switching back and forth like you should. Absolutely. Absolutely correct. When I work in the office, I do kind of switch back and forth between sitting and standing. And when I sit on my chair, I sit like a person does. When I'm at home by myself, I am curled up in that chair in weird orientations. It is, can't be good for me. It's got to be bad for my longterm health. And I often think to myself, you should stand up, buddy. And that doesn't mean that I do it. All right. Next ordering fast foods from robots. Does this happen to you guys? Have you, have you pulled into the drive-thru and you start talking? I know what you mean. Yeah. And a robot's like, you know what? I'll just handle this whole order. Because for a long time, they were just doing that bit where they're like, have you tried using our app? And you're like, no. And they're like, okay, a real person is going to be with you in a second. Now they're like, we'll just take your whole fucking order. I've been noticing that more and more places. It's happened to me twice. I've seen like the self-serve kiosks. I've never. This is drive-thru. Right. I don't really do a lot of drive-thru because it means I would eventually have to park. I had this at self-service. I went into a place and they were like, you can only use the machines. You can't even come up inside. I have this at self. They do that at McDonald's, but you don't shout at it. That's a touch screen. Oh, that's true. I get what you're saying. It's actually shouting at a robot. Yeah. Okay. I did recently go to a restaurant and it's amazing because they've got a little cat robot that brings you your water and your drink. It is amazing. It's just a robot that just comes over and says, here's your water. And then you like push a button to tell it that you've taken it and then it goes away. That's actually kind of cool. It's the same problem for all these though. Like, so there was these articles like end of last year where corporations were like, we just don't want to pay our employees anymore. And we're like, you should pay your fucking employees. Like, come on, just if you make billions of dollars, you can't pay your employees. We're like, no, we just can't. And so that's, instead of paying their employees, they go out of their way to make incredible technologies that like have a little cat delivering you fucking food. And so you're paying people. Fuck off corporations. The part most confounding to me about that place is it will bring you a drink, but it doesn't seem capable of sending food. Like it never sends the food. A person brings the food. I don't know why. That's weird. That's really odd. Yeah. What's your three? Why are we making sexy animals? Okay. I'll be right there. This is starting a seriously concerning trend considering your cousin's talk last time. No, it's okay. Specifically, the first one that ever irked me and I never have got it to this day is Lola Bunny. Right? There's like. Oh, you mean sexy cartoon animals. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't think you were. I didn't. I was not too far from that. I could have assumed that part. Yes. What did you think I meant, Brad? I thought you were talking about breeding new attractive animals. I got real concerned. That's crazy. That would be. I don't know. Maybe at some point people will try to do that because we keep shoving sexy animals into cartoons. Yeah. Why are we doing that? Who is that for? Can we get more examples? Let's get more examples. I never got over Lola. My name is Lola Bunny. Hey. Hi. Oh, heat hot. I was just like, why did you make a hot bunny? Who gains from this? I don't understand. First of all, Bugs doesn't need a love life anyway. You know, it's even weirder than that. It's not just that they're making, you know, a sexy bunny. Not too long ago, maybe a year ago, M&M's decided to rebrand their female M&M characters. The green M&M. Yeah, to be less like overtly sexual. And there was an uproar. Like, how dare you take away our sexy M&M's? M&M's will not be satisfied until every last cartoon character is deeply unappealing and totally androgynous. Until the moment you wouldn't want to have a drink with any one of them. Yeah. Yeah. They lowered the high heel or whatever. Insane. It's like, who's making these decisions? Porn's already so weird. It's going to be so much weirder. The more weird, you know, like sexy anthropomorphic things we make. I don't understand who's driving this. Who's like, we need this in our cartoons. I don't get it. I was with you when you were talking about Lova Bunny. You brought porn into it. And now I'm really concerned that this is definitely not a lie. And you've got some very strange habits. I mean, all I'm saying is like, if you've ever checked out any porn, it gets weird fast. I'm just like, man. Different podcast. Different podcast. I've seen that for different podcasts. People are shoving shit into basketball movies. Like, I don't get it. I don't like it. You think Space Jam is the reason. Yes. Okay. I think the innocent world of porn was fine until Space Jam showed up. And then things got crazy after that. I don't know. I knew this was going to be hard because Ryan is a man who is built for this concept of just petty. Yep. Strong principled stance. Like, that's why I saved you for laughs. Because I just knew. I have so many more. You could go for days. And all of these sound plausible. You know what was on it? Parallel parking was on mine, for the record. For your sake, I'm going to suggest that the lie is Lola Bunny. That can't be the thing that you're focused on. What was the first one, Ryan? Oh, conversion desks. Yeah, I think that's a lie. No, congratulations. You're both wrong. I don't mind ordering from a robot at all. They're way more accurate than fast food employees. Get them out of here. Let's bring on the robots. But, yeah. Fuck little wage workers. Long live capitalism. We went through and we ordered from this robot. We're like, oh, that's weird. It actually worked out great. And then the next time we went through, we got an employee and they did a horrible job. That's actually kind of funny. They gave us a ticket. They're like, fill out the survey. And they're like, would you have minded if that was a robot? We're like, fuck no. That would have been way better. That's awesome. And I'm pretty sure it was just McDonald's. This is McDonald's. Pretty sure that they were just telling their employees to do a shitty job so that they can push the robots. But it worked. That's a funny concept that they're intentionally trying to push customers towards the robots by making their staff incompetent. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they got their best person on there. So act like you're horrible at this. Just imitate Dave, who's shitty at this, you know?
- actor claimant: Ryan
- actor adjudicator: Ryan
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Stands ryan
submission type: three presented principled stands claim: Conversion desks. You know, the ones that you can go from standing to sitting. And then you end up never switching it. And then you feel worse because you're like, I have no excuse now. There's no switching back and forth like you should. claim: Next ordering fast foods from robots. Now they're like,…
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submission type: three presented principled stands claim: Conversion desks. You know, the ones that you can go from standing to sitting. And then you end up never switching it. And then you feel worse because you're like, I have no excuse now. There's no switching back and forth like you should. claim: Next ordering fast foods from robots. Now they're like, we'll just take your whole fucking order. And we're like, you should pay your fucking employees. And so that's, instead of paying their employees, they go out of their way to make incredible technologies that like have a little cat delivering you fucking food. Fuck off corporations. claim: Why are we making sexy animals? Specifically, the first one that ever irked me and I never have got it to this day is Lola Bunny. I was just like, why did you make a hot bunny? First of all, Bugs doesn't need a love life anyway. answer qualification: Oh, you mean sexy cartoon animals. desk peer voice: Curtis robot peer voice: Curtis
- actor respondent: Ryan
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Guess prompt ryan
classification prompt: Two real ones and one fake one.
- actor claimant: Ryan
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Guess ryan third
choice: 3 response: For your sake, I'm going to suggest that the lie is Lola Bunny. adjudication raw correctness: False
- actor respondent: Curtis
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Recall prompt
question: What was the first one, Ryan?
- actor respondent: Ryan
- actor facilitator: Brad
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Recall answer
answer: Oh, conversion desks.
- actor respondent: Ryan
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Guess ryan first
choice: 1 response: Yeah, I think that's a lie. adjudication raw correctness: False
- actor respondent: Brad
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Result ryan
correct answer: 2 adjudication: You're both wrong. result qualification: I don't mind ordering from a robot at all. They're way more accurate than fast food employees. Let's bring on the robots.
- actor adjudicator: Ryan
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Ryan result discussion
result qualification: We went through and we ordered from this robot. It actually worked out great. And then the next time we went through, we got an employee and they did a horrible job. And I'm pretty sure it was just McDonald's. But it worked.
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Game wrap
Segment context: round result discussion ending or payoff: That's a funny concept that they're intentionally trying to push customers towards the robots by making their staff incompetent. Just imitate Dave, who's shitty at this, you know?
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predictions
segment type: non game prediction activity prompt item: The Ring Cycle reviewed full source context: Should we find out how shitty Frasier is at making an episode next week when we covered season 10, episode one, The Ring Cycle? The season premiere. The Ring Cycle. In the absence of Daphne, Marty tried to do his own laundry and get his wedding ring rung. Uh,…
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segment type: non game prediction activity prompt item: The Ring Cycle reviewed full source context: Should we find out how shitty Frasier is at making an episode next week when we covered season 10, episode one, The Ring Cycle? The season premiere. The Ring Cycle. In the absence of Daphne, Marty tried to do his own laundry and get his wedding ring rung. Uh, rung? He gets it in the washer. They lose it for a while. Then they find it. It's wet. So then he tries to ring it out because he's an idiot. You know, standard stuff. Ring it out. He's going to try to twist a ring. Yeah. This is Marty we're talking about. It all makes sense to me. That's not like a concept Brad would find himself in. You can have, do you want a bonus prediction? Yes. Can I get a bonus prediction, please? Oh, Brad Kirkston will find that 10th dentist and ask him what gives.
- actor respondent: Unresolved: ['Neither prediction is assigned to a named speaker.', [[1576], [1590], [1593]]]
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Prediction prompt
prompt item: The Ring Cycle prompt: Should we find out how shitty Frasier is at making an episode next week when we covered season 10, episode one, The Ring Cycle?
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Prediction answer
answer: In the absence of Daphne, Marty tried to do his own laundry and get his wedding ring rung. He gets it in the washer. They lose it for a while. Then they find it. It's wet. So then he tries to ring it out because he's an idiot. response status: prediction given
- actor respondent: Ryan
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Bonus prompt
prompt: Can I get a bonus prediction, please?
- actor facilitator: Brad
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Bonus answer
answer: Oh, Brad Kirkston will find that 10th dentist and ask him what gives.
- actor respondent: Ryan
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signoff
Context outside the activity. segment type: podcast signoff and credits reviewed full source context: Well, that will do it for us. Thanks to Kevin McLeod for our theme music. And thank you for listening. Don't forget to go to Apple Podcasts and do whatever he's supposed to do there. For myself, for Ryan, for Brad, weird day, no one. Yeah. Yeah.
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outtake
Context outside the activity. segment type: post signoff technical banter claim: I, I accidentally triggered Siri. reviewed full source context: This was like something out of a, uh, yeah. All right, buddy. You okay, mate? Did you just pass out trying to come up with the word? No. I, I accidentally triggered Siri. My, oh, please. I was like, did Curtis just…
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Context outside the activity. segment type: post signoff technical banter claim: I, I accidentally triggered Siri. reviewed full source context: This was like something out of a, uh, yeah. All right, buddy. You okay, mate? Did you just pass out trying to come up with the word? No. I, I accidentally triggered Siri. My, oh, please. I was like, did Curtis just leave in the middle of the sentence? I thought he passed out trying to find the word. Normally my phone is in my pocket when I'm doing this and I don't mute because I can control myself, but I'm doing lots of sniffling and coughing right now. So I've been muting. And so it's always in my hand, my phone. And, uh, apparently this little button on the side triggers Siri. Keep holding on. Oh, cool. Well, I'm really glad you're going to learn your phone. That's, that's really nice.
Preserved conversation context
Brad the parking attendant and parallel-parking stories
Curtis leads the parking discussion. Ryan describes skills deteriorating since COVID and asks Brad for his best parallel-parking moment; Brad recalls practice in the city. The hosts also imagine Brad’s parking rules changing by the minute while he insists they always applied. Curtis tells his Wrigleyville apartment-viewing story: game-day scarcity, an exaggerated price corrected from $150 to around $80, and parking farther away. These are their stories and jokes.
The source records recap interpretation, personal discussion, factual lookup, noncompetitive opinion, or production/sign-off context. This excerpt supplies no independently established recurring comic-bit occurrence.
Preserved conversation context
Curtis estimates Seattle’s area
Brad asks how many square miles downtown Seattle covers; Curtis answers 42. Brad supplies the hypothetical eight-square-mile distance and seven-and-a-half-to-eight-minute drive. Ryan requests the math explanation, and Brad declines. Ryan reports Seattle as 83 square miles and praises Curtis as halfway there. The downtown-versus-city mismatch is preserved; these are speaker estimates and lookup claims, not a verified geographic calculation.
The source records recap interpretation, personal discussion, factual lookup, noncompetitive opinion, or production/sign-off context. This excerpt supplies no independently established recurring comic-bit occurrence.
Preserved conversation context
Brad’s final B+, seventh of forty-six, and 8-6
Brad revises his description of the C plot from funny to meaningful after Ryan challenges it. His setup includes A, but his completed grade is B+; the older archives stopped at A. Curtis prompts Brad’s rating and gives the seventh-out-of-forty-six ranking, below Trophy Girlfriend and above Boo. The recording confirms that Curtis addresses Ryan, whose rating is 8.6, displayed /10 under the established convention.
This is an episode assessment or ratings-history summary. Ratings and any accompanying Council/scale banter remain intact; the composite summary is not a separate recurring interruption or game.
Comic bits and episode moments.
Comic episode moment
Brad works through professorial ↗
Ryan asks Brad to try professorial again. Brad starts with Presbyterian and another approximation, then repeats Professorial after Curtis models it and says he has it. A later pillagers-versus-villagers misunderstanding and Presbyterian callback remain the same conversational thread, with no competitive result.
The damaged-gate-price discussion prompts Brad’s Logistics drop, Logistics drop, We’ve got ourselves a logistics drop performance. The recording confirms the performer.
Recurring bit
A fictional Brad joins the Council of Brads ↗
Curtis asks for the new council member. Brad chooses the character Brad from Home Improvement, explicitly not the actor. The ensuing quotation is context, not another member or episode grade.
Comic episode moment
Siri interrupts a sentence ↗
After the credits, the group jokes that Curtis has disappeared or passed out mid-sentence. He explains that he accidentally triggered Siri while holding his phone to mute coughing and sniffling. This is a recording outtake, not a present problem with the review system.
By way of goodbye.
Weird day, no one.
Source excerpt ↗ 54:17–54:20Original sign-off transcript
For myself, for Ryan, for Brad, weird day, no one.
Previously, next week.
Predictions as made on the podcast—not claims about what actually happens.
Looking ahead
A wedding ring goes through the washer
Ryan predicts that Marty does laundry without Daphne, loses his wedding ring in the washer, finds it wet and tries to wring it out. Brad requests the bonus, and Ryan predicts that Brad will find the tenth dentist and ask what gives. The recording confirms the three voices. No later accuracy is claimed.
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