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  1. I thought it'd be interesting to talk about some of the moments in past episodes that some character deserved a punch and didn't get us.
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  1. Activity request: I thought it'd be interesting to talk about some of the moments in past episodes that some character deserved a punch and didn't get us. Result qualification: Can we agree that whoever deserved the punch, a punch was deserved for that?

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I thought it'd be interesting to talk about some of the moments in past episodes that some character deserved a punch and didn't get us.

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Prompt: I thought it'd be interesting to talk about some of the moments in past episodes that some character deserved a punch and didn't get us.

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Well, let's start with those two.

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Prompt: Well, let's start with those two.

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first nomination

I mean, obviously, Frasier should have got punched in the face by Nanny G's fiancé, boyfriend, whatever he was at the time, once he figured out that they were— Final phrase attribution: Who proposes Frasier being punched by Nanny G’s partner?: Brad

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nanny counterclaim

See, that's funny. I think Nanny G means a punch in the face for multiple incidences in that episode, but Frasier was not nearly as in fault as she was. Final phrase attribution: Who counterproposes Nanny G as more at fault?: Ryan

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stage nomination

Frasier being naked in front of a bunch of children on a stage, that deserved a punch. Answer qualification: That, again, was Nanny G, though. She knew what was going to happen, and he didn't. Adjudication: disputed responsibility Final phrase attribution: Who proposes the on-stage incident as a reason Frasier deserved a punch?: Curtis

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Brian, what have you had? What are some of yours?

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Prompt: Brian, what have you had? What are some of yours?

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bookstore nomination

Well, I get Nanny G again when she makes every kid in a bookstore close to their eyes so that she can go kiss a guy that she hasn't seen for a while. Final phrase attribution: Is Ryan the respondent addressed as Brian in this handoff and bookstore answer?: No Curtis said Ryan Handoff correction: Curtis says Ryan, not Brian; final follow-up identifies Ryan as the…

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Well, I get Nanny G again when she makes every kid in a bookstore close to their eyes so that she can go kiss a guy that she hasn't seen for a while. Final phrase attribution: Is Ryan the respondent addressed as Brian in this handoff and bookstore answer?: No Curtis said Ryan Handoff correction: Curtis says Ryan, not Brian; final follow-up identifies Ryan as the bookstore-answer speaker. Final followup: question: Who says “Well, I get Nanny G again when she makes every kid in a bookstore close their eyes…” after Curtis’s handoff? Name that answer’s speaker, or UNKNOWN.; answer: ; receipt: 20261005T151850118849Z-a7902a0547849e8f

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frasier qualification

Frasier does not deserve getting punched nearly as much as I expected. Important beats: Like, obviously, he does Frank dirty. You know, and he flips through Charlotte's notebook, like little things here and there. He tries to kill his dad, but, like, his dad deserves it. So nothing major there that I really faulted him for.

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restaurant nomination

No, just I thought he should be punched any time he's at a restaurant talking to a waiter because he's so condescending any time he talks to a waiter. Final phrase attribution: Who proposes Frasier’s condescension to restaurant waiters?: Brad

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thanksgiving nomination

And that was Niles for saying Thanksgiving. Answer qualification: I thought this would be an easy task, and then I started thinking about the episodes, and I was like, some of these are douchey moves. They're not necessarily worthy of a punch. Final phrase attribution: Who proposes Niles saying Thanksgiving?: Curtis

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nomination discussion

Notable events: Niles is a problem in, like, every other episode. Yeah, well, in that same episode where he says Thanksgiving wrong, he also has a comment about a woman being a tasty little treat or something like that. Niles buys a sweater, you know, without her knowing. Niles can't catch a banana. I think the way she ruined that sweater for him, worse than a…

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Notable events: Niles is a problem in, like, every other episode. Yeah, well, in that same episode where he says Thanksgiving wrong, he also has a comment about a woman being a tasty little treat or something like that. Niles buys a sweater, you know, without her knowing. Niles can't catch a banana. I think the way she ruined that sweater for him, worse than a punch. Sorry, Daphne's worst thing. He insults every pregnant lady everywhere by pretending he's pregnant, even though he knows that's psychosomatic. That guy who introduced him to that idea. Oh, the birthing lady. Niles steals from Frasier, which also, that was one remiss for Frasier. He did steal from an old lady just because she said some truths about him. And so he steals her Olympic medal, which is aggressive. you know, he goes and steals, I think, one of Frasier's sherry glasses. Obviously, Niles gets his dad high. He sneaks away to have a lunch with his ex-wife without telling his pregnant wife. Well, the way he talks to what he thinks is a stripper still is an egregious moment to me. he violated a sweater pact. Well, I think Marty might deserve... But he does a lot of commenting on and being creepy at mostly Daphne, Like, commenting on her body. Also, he's just an absolute terrible father. Every advice he's given to Frasier so far has been horrible. Answer qualification: I don't really appreciate all the Niles hating. Just all of it. He's just misunderstood. Activity description: I thought it'd be interesting to talk about some of the moments in past episodes that some character deserved a punch and didn't get us. Oh, man. Oh, boy. I would say at least once an episode you're talking about someone deserves like a major punch. Yeah. I mean, I have two off the top of my head without any thought. Well, let's start with those two. I mean, obviously, Frasier should have got punched in the face by Nanny G's fiancé, boyfriend, whatever he was at the time, once he figured out that they were— Oh, that's right. Yeah. See, that's funny. I think Nanny G means a punch in the face for multiple incidences in that episode, but Frasier was not nearly as in fault as she was. Frasier being naked in front of a bunch of children on a stage, that deserved a punch. That, again, was Nanny G, though. She knew what was going to happen, and he didn't. Not making Nanny G always be the bad guy, okay? Frasier deserves the play. Brian, what have you had? What are some of yours? Well, I get Nanny G again when she makes every kid in a bookstore close to their eyes so that she can go kiss a guy that she hasn't seen for a while. I'm starting to think that's the only episode you remember. It's traumatic. Well, I actually was a little disappointed going back through the episodes. Frasier does not deserve getting punched nearly as much as I expected. Like, obviously, he does Frank dirty. You know, and he flips through Charlotte's notebook, like little things here and there. He tries to kill his dad, but, like, his dad deserves it. So nothing major there that I really faulted him for. I had one more Frasier, actually, one that I thought. Is it just him being a bad dad? No, just I thought he should be punched any time he's at a restaurant talking to a waiter because he's so condescending any time he talks to a waiter. Yeah. Yeah. I had just, I really, I like you, Ryan. I thought this would be an easy task, and then I started thinking about the episodes, and I was like, some of these are douchey moves. They're not necessarily worthy of a punch. There's one moment, there's one character. It wasn't Frasier, actually, surprisingly. There's one character I thought really deserved a good punch. And that was Niles for saying Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. I was shocked going back through it. Niles is a problem in, like, every other episode. Yeah, well, in that same episode where he says Thanksgiving wrong, he also has a comment about a woman being a tasty little treat or something like that. That was surprising, right? Like, of all the things he does, he, Daphne, you know, she decides she's going to bake her own cookies because she doesn't want to spend too much money. Niles buys a sweater, you know, without her knowing. Niles can't catch a banana. No, wait a minute. Back to that one. The idea that he was, you know, his pregnant wife is making her own cookies and he's, like, extravagantly spending on sweaters. I think the way she ruined that sweater for him, worse than a punch. He would have rather got punched. That was insane. Yeah, that's probably Raz's worst thing. Niles gets his... Raz's worst thing. Sorry, Daphne's worst thing. Sorry. I still get them swapped sometimes. Niles, he gets his pregnant wife addicted to fast food in the late in the third trimester. I think she got him addicted. Well, she's... Oh, I got that backwards. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, that's fine. She's allowed to get him addicted. That's fine. He insults every pregnant lady everywhere by pretending he's pregnant, even though he knows that's psychosomatic. You know who needed a punch? That guy who introduced him to that idea. Well, that guy could have used one, definitely. And the nursing... Oh, the birthing lady. She could have used one. Niles steals from Frasier, which also, that was one remiss for Frasier. He did steal from an old lady just because she said some truths about him. Yeah, I didn't remember the... I didn't remember what that was about. I have no recollection of that episode. Well, she was making fun of him because he didn't have much of a life, and he was fairly safe. And so he steals her Olympic medal, which is aggressive. And then Niles, just to prove he's a badass, you know, he goes and steals, I think, one of Frasier's sherry glasses. Obviously, Niles gets his dad high. That's not great. But then we get to some of the bigger ticket items. He sneaks away to have a lunch with his ex-wife without telling his pregnant wife. That's crazy as hell. He... What did he do? I got two more. Apparently a lot. You just... There's a ton. That's the thing. It's hard to go back through them all. You basically think Niles has... Every other line deserved a punch. He... Well, the way he talks to what he thinks is a stripper still is an egregious moment to me. Oh, yes. And just is absolutely horrible to her face. Real bad. But most importantly, like the absolute worst thing, the number one reason he should have got a shot to the face, he violated a sweater pact. He can't do that. Well, I think Marty might deserve... I mean, he's an old man, so it's hard to suggest he should be punched. But he does a lot of commenting on and being creepy at mostly Daphne, which is even weirder. Like, commenting on her body. If it was towards Roz, it would be a little better. But it's always towards Daphne. It's weird. Yeah. I agree. Also, he's just an absolute terrible father. Every advice he's given to Frasier so far has been horrible. This episode is a great example of really bad advice. Yeah. Which is why I don't fault Frasier at all for trying to kill him. I don't really appreciate all the Niles hating. I feel like he... Which thing did I... What thing did I lay out that was unfair? Just all of it. I think I left some things off the table. He's just misunderstood. What? When? The whole time. He's just... He's just, you know... He's very articulate. It's hard for him to be misunderstood. He takes pretensionism... I don't even know if that's a word. Obviously it's not. He's so pretension... It's like a whole... It's not a religion. To them it is. To him it is. Good point. Can we come to an agreement? Do we have a single moment we all think is the moment that should have been for the punch? Yeah, the sweater pact. Sweater pact. I think we have to be unanimous. Brad, can you get on board with the sweater pact? I'm just making... I'm just... For no reason, I'm just forcing you to agree. Do you want me to throw some honorable mentions at you guys? No. You threw 14,000 honorable mentions. No, not for Niles. For other people. No, Fraser... Obviously, the only one that really contends to that is Fraser being naked in front of all those little kids. That was Nanny G's fault. It was not Nanny G's fault. Can we... Okay, can we... Can we... Can we... Can we agree that whoever deserved the punch, a punch was deserved for that? Oh, 100%. Yeah, absolutely. I think that's good enough. What about Anne? Anne could use a snip shot. Yeah, but then she's going to sue you. Yeah, that's why she needs one. How about... Okay, some real honorable mentions. I don't even think you guys deserve it, but how about... Also didn't ask for them. How about Brad? He was super Crow Hitler. Yeah, that's true. And how about you, Curtis? You wanted to eat a baby pie. Wait, wait. We need a timeout. There's a character on this episode named Brad, so I think, out of disrespect for the character, please refer to me as Brad Lee on the show, like you're supposed to. Okay, Brad K. Remember when he was pro-Hitler? I mean, that's a pretty good nod. I don't want to reward your guys' behavior and give you some kudos for that, give you a victory in anything, but it should be mentioned that you guys do deserve punches for that. You think bringing up things that we're not proud of and then saying we should be punched for them is a victory? Oh, yeah, yeah. You guys were worse than anything on the show, Frazier, so far. Again, not a victory. All right, should we talk about this episode of Frazier? I think that's a good idea. So wait, we landed on the Nanny G moment? Yeah, that's canon. Okay. That's reverse psychology canon.

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food nomination

Niles, he gets his pregnant wife addicted to fast food in the late in the third trimester. Answer qualification: I think she got him addicted. Oh, I got that backwards. She's allowed to get him addicted. Answer qualification state: retracted original direction Final phrase attribution: Who first claims Niles got Daphne addicted to fast food?: Ryan; Who corrects the direction to Daphne getting Niles addicted?: Curtis Correction speaker: Curtis

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Do we have a single moment we all think is the moment that should have been for the punch?

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Prompt: Do we have a single moment we all think is the moment that should have been for the punch?

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sweater choice one

Choice: Yeah, the sweater pact. Status: proposal not final consensus Final phrase attribution: Who gives the first sweater-pact proposal?: Ryan

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sweater choice two

Choice: Sweater pact. Status: proposal not final consensus Final phrase attribution: Who gives the second sweater-pact proposal?: Curtis

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Brad, can you get on board with the sweater pact?

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Prompt: Brad, can you get on board with the sweater pact? Rules: I think we have to be unanimous. Answer qualification: For no reason, I'm just forcing you to agree. Final phrase attribution: Who asks Brad to agree to the sweater pact?: Curtis

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competing scene

Obviously, the only one that really contends to that is Fraser being naked in front of all those little kids. Answer qualification: That was Nanny G's fault. It was not Nanny G's fault.

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Can we agree that whoever deserved the punch, a punch was deserved for that?

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assent one

Oh, 100%. Final phrase attribution: Who gives the Oh 100% assent to the compromise?: Ryan

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assent two

Yeah, absolutely. Final phrase attribution: Who gives the Yeah absolutely assent to the compromise?: Ryan

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punch consensus

Choice: the Nanny G moment Result qualification: Can we agree that whoever deserved the punch, a punch was deserved for that? Adjudication: I think that's good enough.

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punch wrap

Notable events: What about Anne? Yeah, but then she's going to sue you. Okay, some real honorable mentions. How about Brad? He was super Crow Hitler. And how about you, Curtis? You wanted to eat a baby pie. Result qualification: You think bringing up things that we're not proud of and then saying we should be punched for them is a victory? Again, not a victory. All right, should we talk about this episode of Frazier?

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